On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:50:34PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> Right. But I am not sure I understand what you mean. Compiling the src deb
> of rpm, while running a Hurd system?
Yes, and if that fails, fix it. Then post the patch as a Bug Report in the
Debian Bug Tracking System (or post
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > Well, we'll see what
> > happens. Maybe I'll get used to it. It's major "sell point", apt, isn't
> > much use for me since I live behind a 28.8 modem and can't download
> > updates just because I want it. Unless they are small...
>
> Apt is not limi
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > > First step is to port the Debian package of rpm and check if cpio and
> > > alien
> > > do work on the Hurd (they should).
> >
> > Port the Debian package of rpm? Wouldn't j
> Nope, I don't think packaging is "important" it's just
> covenient(sp?). What I *do* think is really, really important is
> documentation. Almost every Free Software project is lacking in that
> area. If I can help with it, I will.
WOW Someone who thinks documentation is important. Are you
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:07:45PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> But I think your asessment is correct. It takes quite awhile for me to get
> my grips about the Hurd, and dpkg isn't helping.
Well, although there are certain issues with using dpkg, you don't need
to work on them to do usefu
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:08:48PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> Maybe this is a stupid question, but what is "The Debian diff.gz" doing
> and when is it applied?
The debian diff.gz is just a file. By itself it does nothing. It is applied
to the pristine upstream source to produce somethin
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > First step is to port the Debian package of rpm and check if cpio and alien
> > do work on the Hurd (they should).
>
> Port the Debian package of rpm? Wouldn't just compile rpm from sources and
> making that work be the mos
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:03:57AM +0200, Farid Hajji wrote:
> > The ports collection is similar, except that it downloads the source,
> > applies system specific patches (great for the Hurd!) and recompiles
> > if necessary.
>
> We don't want system
On Wed, 2 May 2001, David Coquil wrote:
> I think you have a point with your popularity argument. The Hurd would
> clearly benefit from having more users. But OTOH, there is quite a lot of
> learning involved before you can contribute anything even vaguely useful to
> the Hurd ; I still haven't fo
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:12:26AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > But of course not! It's never easy to start a new distrobution. I just
> > found the idea interesting. I don't know .deb but I know rpm and Solaris
> > pkgadd and I'd like to us
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:03:57AM +0200, Farid Hajji wrote:
> The ports collection is similar, except that it downloads the source,
> applies system specific patches (great for the Hurd!) and recompiles
> if necessary.
We don't want system specific patches. That's the way that lies madness.
We wa
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote:
> > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to
> > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion.
> > I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection!
> > You simply
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:46AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote:
>
> > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to
> > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion.
> > I used to use FreeBS
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:53:52PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> First step is to port the Debian package of rpm and check if cpio and alien
> do work on the Hurd (they should).
I added popt to turtle1 this morning, which is a pre-depend of rpm.
rpm didn't build, however. I don't actually car
First post!
[snap]
> Well, I had only been using RPM-based Linux distibutions before I tried
out
> the Hurd, so I can understand how dpkg can seem confusing to you at first.
> OTOH, if you keep on learning how to use it, I think you will find that
> there isn't anything that makes rpm better than p
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:29:59AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
>
> OK, I have often read that getting Hurd to run on top of many different
> microkernels is one main goal. I guess it is still focused on mach
> then? Probably a good at idea at this time.
>
There is (was?) an effort to get
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:12:26AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> But of course not! It's never easy to start a new distrobution. I just
> found the idea interesting. I don't know .deb but I know rpm and Solaris
> pkgadd and I'd like to use them. If someone else hav had the same thought,
> p
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:19:43AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> After getting the link mailed me I now see I must have been blind not to
> find it earlier. But, considering that there's first a row of buttons,
> blue on red, and then another row of choices which are, almost but not
> reall
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:57:52AM +0200, Henning Riedel wrote:
> So either I missed some driver to enable, or I did maybe the wrong MAKEDEV?
> Since the kernel boots that fast, the messages are gone before I catch up.
> Is there some kind of kernel-message logging at boottime like dmesg under
> Li
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote:
> I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to
> package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion.
> I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection!
> You simply change to t
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote:
> I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to
> package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion.
> I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection!
> You simply change to
> -Original Message-
> From: Russell Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:05 PM
> To: Andreas L. Gustafsson
> Cc: Robert Bihlmeyer; debian-hurd@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting
>
>
> > > > Ser
> > > Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular and more widely used
> > > we need to move away from the .deb way only as fast as possible.
> >
> > What Farid said: nobody stops anybody from doing things differently.
>
> Nope, and if I learn how to do it, I might try.
>
> > > The most
On 29 Apr 2001, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote:
> "Andreas L. Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available?
>
> Yes, GNU Mach and oskit Mach. Debian GNU/Hurd will install the former.
> I don't think there deb packages for oskit mach, you'll have to roll
>
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big
> > documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage.
> >
> > What is diffrent? Which
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Jeff Bailey wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
>
> > I for one just hate dpkg and friends! :)
> >
> > If I just can get gcc to work under Hurd I'll be happy again! :)
> >
> > Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular a
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Philip Charles wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
>
> > F1 F2 E1? Where do I find these ISO images? I can't find any links to it
> > from the Debian/Hurd ports page. There are just a link telling about it's
> > in "active development". Time to update t
Well, I finally got Hurd running, even it's not much useful yet. It sure
seemed to be the EATA-driver stuff that probably locked me machine
down. As somebody else at my place here want's to take a look on
Hurd, we installed last night on his old machine, which is a terrible slow
machine. But we com
"Brad Marks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If we had better documentation on the web pages, developers would spend less
> time answering the same old questions and less people would have to dig
> through the list archives for answers. Certainly not the highest priority,
> but it would give everybo
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 12:18:08PM -0600, Brad Marks wrote:
> [1] It seems like everybody's got their own hurd site right now with
> their own work on it, and few of them are actually referenced
> anywhere on hurd.gnu.org. Seems to me it would be useful to either
> try to get this stuff moved/mirr
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 12:18:08PM -0600, Brad Marks wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big
> > > documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage.
> > >
> > > W
"Andreas L. Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Huh!? Is there two different kernels available?
Yes, GNU Mach and oskit Mach. Debian GNU/Hurd will install the former.
I don't think there deb packages for oskit mach, you'll have to roll
your own. Searching the archives of this list for "oski
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big
> > documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage.
> >
> > What is diffrent? Which one do I need for what functionality.
> Which o
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big
> documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage.
>
> What is diffrent? Which one do I need for what functionality. Which one is
> the
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 08:55:45AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote:
> I only
> report porting problems to the upstream Debian maintainers, and it's
> up to them if they'd like to report portability problems to the
> upstream.
Small correction. They are expected to report upstream bugs back upstream.
> Y
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> I for one just hate dpkg and friends! :)
>
> If I just can get gcc to work under Hurd I'll be happy again! :)
>
> Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular and more widely used
> we need to move away from the .de
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote:
> F1 F2 E1? Where do I find these ISO images? I can't find any links to it
> from the Debian/Hurd ports page. There are just a link telling about it's
> in "active development". Time to update the webpage, someone?
>
> It's not a good way to sprea
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Farid Hajji wrote:
> Henning, how do you expect us to help, if you don't provide us with
> somewhat more detailed data?
>
> 1. What kernel are you using? gnumach or oskit-mach? Which version?
>Where/When did you get that from? Did you compile it yourself and
>if so, w
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Henning Riedel wrote:
> You got the point, the installation seems to be ok, except some minor things
> that might be a little confusing:
> 1.) Looking for the basehurd.tgz on the CD. There are a lot of subdirs on
> the
> CD's. I might be gotten a little to comfortable by
Henning Riedel wrote:
>
> AMD K7 600Mhz on ASUS K7M (AMD750,VIA82C686B), 192MB SDRAM
> ELSA Erazor III Pro (Riva TNT2) 32MB AGP
You need to recompile your gnumach, I had a similar problem, many others had
too(you will know if you check the archives of this list). You will also find
the instructio
- Original Message -
From: "Farid Hajji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting
> > > Ahemm... while we're at it: if you're booting from the F1 ISO, it
> > > may well be, that you&#
> > Ahemm... while we're at it: if you're booting from the F1 ISO, it
> > may well be, that you're first booting Linux, not gnumach. At least,
> > that was the way, Phil did realize the E1-series I'm using here. That
> > probably stuck in F1 as well. Are you sure that _gnumach_ hangs, not
> > _linu
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Farid Hajji wrote:
> Ahemm... while we're at it: if you're booting from the F1 ISO, it
> may well be, that you're first booting Linux, not gnumach. At least,
> that was the way, Phil did realize the E1-series I'm using here. That
> probably stuck in F1 as well. Are you sure th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in a state of fury:
> > Anyway, this fucking kernel still stops/halts just after the fdc gets
> > recognized. I already had taken off almost all cards I have in my system,
> > but no change. Is there anything I should know of, where gnumach does
> > NOT run on? Else, think a
"Ian Duggan" wrote
>...What hardware are you trying to boot with, and
> how are you going about trying to build the system. The installation
> procedure is still primitive, and requires developer level knowledge of
> a few things. At the minimum, you should be familiar with how
> bootloaders work a
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I intend to add a gnumach-lean to the gnumach package. This will increase
> its size by about 200kB. Is this acceptable, or do you favour a split up
> into a seperate binary package?
I have a preference for using a different package, but it's not a
t
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:52:21PM +0200, Henning Riedel wrote:
> I still try to get the kernel up and running but nobody actually seems
> to realize, that a really lean kernel should be made just for installing,
> so that all should be able to boot that piece of shit.
An accurate description of t
> This fucking Hurd still sucks!
Bees with honey.
> I still try to get the kernel up and running but nobody actually seems
> to realize, that a really lean kernel should be made just for installing,
> so that all should be able to boot that piece of shit. That's not the first
> mail I send about
This fucking Hurd still sucks!
I still try to get the kernel up and running but nobody actually seems
to realize, that a really lean kernel should be made just for installing,
so that all should be able to boot that piece of shit. That's not the first
mail I send about booting problems, but nobody
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