Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-07-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:11:21PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:43:08PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Yes, but maybe I want my prefix to be a little more static than a change every 36 hours, as is the case if you have an ADSL line in Belgium :-) That's just plain

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-29 Thread Marc Singer
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 01:49:08PM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:38:06AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:05:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Yes, that's right. If

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-29 Thread Marc Singer
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:07:26PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, that's right. If you can't get native IPv6, 6to4 is better than tunnels. Marc According to my ISP, the stall for IPv6

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Yes, that's right. If you can't get native IPv6, 6to4 is better than tunnels. Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most significant difference is that 6to4 makes an automatic tunnel to the remote 6to4 site, one

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:05:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Yes, that's right. If you can't get native IPv6, 6to4 is better than tunnels. Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most significant

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: If my friend Joe, down the street on the Cable Network and I are both doing IPv6, and we both have tunnels, then our traffic, which should travel literally 10s of meters, will travel 100s of km instead. If we were both

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Jeroen == Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most Jeroen significant difference is that 6to4 makes an automatic Jeroen tunnel to the remote 6to4 site, one huge problem though, you

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The reason to still have the tunnel, is just what you said: so that we can talk to 2001::/16 space. While I found that the ::192.88.99.1 routers weren't working for me, it is still my

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:24:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: If my friend Joe, down the street on the Cable Network and I are both doing IPv6, and we both have tunnels, then our traffic, which should travel literally

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Of course, by properly setting up mobile IPv6 extensions, Wouter you could sidestep this issue and get the best of both Wouter worlds; but since mobile IPv6 requires a kernel patch and

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:50:10AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:24:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Indeed. The only downside of 6to4 is that your subnet prefix changes with your public v4 address. If you don't have a static v4 address, then it'll be a bit less

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Peter Chubb
Paul == Paul TBBle Hampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:38:06AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:05:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: I thought that is what the endpoint was for,

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 01:12:21PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't. I'm using a tunnel broker to get an IPv6 tunnel. They're giving me a point-to-point tunnel with a /128

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't. I'm using a tunnel broker to get an IPv6 tunnel. They're giving

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Marc Singer
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 01:47:18PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't.

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc How does listening to BGP help you? If you have to push data through Marc the tunnel, doesn't HE have to perform the routing for you? BGP tells me what data should go through the tunnel to HE.

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Marc Singer
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 02:33:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc How does listening to BGP help you? If you have to push data through Marc the tunnel, doesn't HE have to perform the routing

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc How does listening to BGP help you? If you have to push data through Marc the tunnel, doesn't HE have to perform the routing for you? BGP tells me what data should go through the tunnel to HE.

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-27 Thread Marc Singer
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 03:27:41PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc How does listening to BGP help you? If you have to push data through Marc the tunnel, doesn't HE have to perform the routing

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-26 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Linux has zero/non-working source address selection. (Unless 2.6.10+ has changed this...) Generally, give all the Linux client boxes static addresses (not autoconfigured ones), and set up the default route explicitely with the right source address. I did have

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-26 Thread Marc Singer
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:07:51PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Linux has zero/non-working source address selection. (Unless 2.6.10+ has changed this...) Bummer. Lame, really. Generally, give all the Linux client boxes static addresses (not

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-25 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why Marc the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't. Marc I'm using a tunnel broker to get an IPv6 tunnel. They're

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-25 Thread Marc Singer
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 03:54:58PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why Marc the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't.

Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-24 Thread Marc Singer
I asked about the ping6 because I'm trying to figure out why the ipv6 router works fine and connected workstations don't. I'm using a tunnel broker to get an IPv6 tunnel. They're giving me a point-to-point tunnel with a /128 endpoint address. So, I figured that I'd use a 6to4 network for the