* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Sanders) [2002.11.21 00:10]:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:12:20AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
[ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/easeofuse.html ]
3. bind zonefiles are human readable. tinydns-data zonefiles are not.
Let's try a simple
I see that you people are heavily arguing about compatibility between bind
zone files and djbdns'. Why don't you start a non-profit organisation for
standardizating zone files for nameservers and even config files. I see no
use in arguing which nameserver is the best, as long as you don't state
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:10:19AM -0600, Cameron Moore wrote:
OMG. I've been able to follow this thread without saying anything until
now. Craig, you've turned into a troll.
actually, it's morons who can't interpret (or wilfully misinterpret)
plain english who have turned this thread into a
Hello all,
Craig Sanders wrote:
btw, i have learnt the tinydns-data format. i know how it works, i can
read it and i can write it. i simply don't like it. i consider it to be
ugly and error-prone, so i don't use djbdns.
Thats one of the best opinions I read in this discussion. It shows very
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ave.
what i would like from a good dns server:
- - (djb dns) speed
- - bind zone file compatibility or tools to convert them easely
- - sql/ldap/db support
- - support for rsync/scp zone transfer
- - different operations (zone xfr, forwarding)
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:27:43PM +0100, jernej horvat wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:38, Russell Coker wrote:
Does multilog allow filtering log messages to determine which ones are
worth logging to disk? That's the only feature that I'd like to see in
syslog.
Then you might
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On Thursday 21 November 2002 13:08, Craig Sanders wrote:
IIRC, the last time i looked at syslog-ng, it had no ability to write
log files asynchronously which made it unsuitable for use on heavy-load
servers - e.g. medium to large ISP mail servers.
Hello,
I use debian together with mysql 4.0.x.
I wonder if there are many others which use mysql 4.x
and what there experience is so far?
If we all have good experience than maybe its
time to build a debian package for mysql 4.x ?
Cheers
Gunnar
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Are there any Perl modules that can help modify a configuration file for
Apache? I'm looking for a method to script addition of virtual web sites
(done through mod_vhost_alias) and setting throttle values for the directory
associated with that virtual host. Can anyone suggest a method of modifying
Hello,
I run bind9 and have never used djbdns.
Me to but it does sound interesting,
I will probaly try on a new project.
little bit of *your* free time to even learn the djbdns file format.
So, who's being the bully here? Who's trying to make everyone do it
their way? Hmm?
you're
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:42:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:55:41PM -0500, bda wrote:
Whereas yours is entirely the usual BIND RULES DJB SUX0RS! variety.
actually, if you bothered looking, you'd find that i've said bind
sucks on numerous occasions. i said
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:54:21AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 07:43:26PM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
nobody with more than a handful of domains is going to throw everything
away and convert to a new nameserver program
Five of the
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:53, Toni Mueller wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:42:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:55:41PM -0500, bda wrote:
Whereas yours is entirely the usual BIND RULES DJB SUX0RS! variety.
actually, if you bothered looking, you'd find that
Excuse me, but isn't this thread getting really stupid? I can't
remember such a flamewar since a discussion about RBL and someone's
blocked email messages.
IMHO, everybody has something a lot more important to do, than to
participate in the latest (stupid,idiotic,etc) flamewar...
(what
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote:
Well, I just remembered that Wietse Venema once posted to postfix-users
talking about using ezmlm together with postfix. I then looked a bit
around in the source of postfix and found this readme: QMQP_README. I'm
including a
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53, Toni Mueller wrote:
I DO NOT WANT TO CONVERT MY ZONE FILES. I WANT TO USE THEM AS-IS.
There is only one Unix way to use them (fortunately), and that's BIND.
There is also nsd. I've spent about 10 minutes playing with nsd and it looks
very promising, I've put in
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:47:43PM +0100, ? ? wrote:
Excuse me, but isn't this thread getting really stupid? I can't
remember such a flamewar since a discussion about RBL and someone's
blocked email messages.
(what next, the 'which is the best text editor' flamewar ?:))) )
We
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:55:26AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote:
Gah. My sincerest apologies. I didn't realize until afterwards that the
reply was private-only, rather than CC'ed to me from the list, and thus
sent it back to the list.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:53:37PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
I DO NOT WANT TO CONVERT MY ZONE FILES. I WANT TO USE THEM AS-IS.
There is only one Unix way to use them (fortunately), and that's BIND.
no, there is at least one other unix nameserver that reads them. NSD.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:13:15PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:54:21AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 07:43:26PM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
nobody with more than a handful of domains is going to throw everything
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:00:07AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
there have been no arguments brought forward against the bind zonefile
format. a few people have claimed that it sucks but without providing
any reason or evidence. djbdns doesn't support it and djb doesn't like
it - that means
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:55:52PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53, Toni Mueller wrote:
Me too. So you've tested all things thoroughly in your lab, then
roll the change out. What's the problem?
The problem for me is that I have only twice worked for compies which
had
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 07:56:30PM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
The ``DNS and BIND'' book repeatedly tells people to check their logs.
Page 313 (3rd edition): ``Unless you [happen to see erroneous output
or] scan your syslog file assiduously, you might never notice the
syntax error!'' Page
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:34:43PM -0800, Nate Campi wrote:
The problem with the BIND zone file format is that it's hard for
programs to parse.
so, what you're saying is that it's too difficult for a program to strip
out comments and blank lines, or to join continuation lines (e.g. SOA
records)
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:34, Craig Sanders wrote:
i've never had a dedicated server lab. i test things on my workstation
and/or on other servers and/or on my own (as in my personal property)
machines. e.g. i'll do RD on most things on my home network before i
implement it at work; or i'll
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:37:32AM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
Getting a home network to simulate a network that has 20,000 users logged on
at the same time is extremely difficult.
That's tough even with an official lab. There's a little help in the
area of load testing DNS servers. It's
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:37:32AM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
Getting a home network to simulate a network that has 20,000 users
logged on at the same time is extremely difficult.
yep. it's difficult to simulate heavy loads on a home network. it's
almost impossible to simulate the seemingly
Craig Sanders writes:
overall, your argument is just a recapitulation of DJB's old favourite
your way of doing things is completely wrong, you must throw it all
away and change to my One True Way. that may be enough to convince DJB
groupies, but it's not enough to convince me. in fact, it
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:22:43AM -0200, Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues wrote:
No one said that your way of doing things is wrong.
actually, that is exactly what some did say. the typical response from
a DJB groupie to anyone who doesn't want to do things in DJB's way is to
utter some
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:12:20AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
[ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/easeofuse.html ]
almost every bind solution ends with Look for errors in your system's
logs. but not one of the djbdns solutions does the same
What you fail to realize
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:12:20AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
3. bind zonefiles are human readable. tinydns-data zonefiles are not.
Let's try a simple example. I find
=bear.heaven.af.mil:1.2.3.6
@heaven.af.mil:1.2.3.4
much easier to read than
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Sanders) [2002.11.21 00:10]:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:12:20AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
[ http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/blurb/easeofuse.html ]
3. bind zonefiles are human readable. tinydns-data zonefiles are not.
Let's try a simple
I see that you people are heavily arguing about compatibility between bind
zone files and djbdns'. Why don't you start a non-profit organisation for
standardizating zone files for nameservers and even config files. I see no
use in arguing which nameserver is the best, as long as you don't state
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:10:19AM -0600, Cameron Moore wrote:
OMG. I've been able to follow this thread without saying anything until
now. Craig, you've turned into a troll.
actually, it's morons who can't interpret (or wilfully misinterpret)
plain english who have turned this thread into a
Hello all,
Craig Sanders wrote:
btw, i have learnt the tinydns-data format. i know how it works, i can
read it and i can write it. i simply don't like it. i consider it to be
ugly and error-prone, so i don't use djbdns.
Thats one of the best opinions I read in this discussion. It shows very
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On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:38, Russell Coker wrote:
Does multilog allow filtering log messages to determine which ones are
worth logging to disk? That's the only feature that I'd like to see in
syslog.
Then you might try
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ave.
what i would like from a good dns server:
- - (djb dns) speed
- - bind zone file compatibility or tools to convert them easely
- - sql/ldap/db support
- - support for rsync/scp zone transfer
- - different operations (zone xfr, forwarding)
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:27:43PM +0100, jernej horvat wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2002 02:38, Russell Coker wrote:
Does multilog allow filtering log messages to determine which ones are
worth logging to disk? That's the only feature that I'd like to see in
syslog.
Then you might
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On Thursday 21 November 2002 13:08, Craig Sanders wrote:
IIRC, the last time i looked at syslog-ng, it had no ability to write
log files asynchronously which made it unsuitable for use on heavy-load
servers - e.g. medium to large ISP mail servers.
Hello,
I use debian together with mysql 4.0.x.
I wonder if there are many others which use mysql 4.x
and what there experience is so far?
If we all have good experience than maybe its
time to build a debian package for mysql 4.x ?
Cheers
Gunnar
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:21:03PM +0100, jernej horvat wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2002 13:08, Craig Sanders wrote:
IIRC, the last time i looked at syslog-ng, it had no ability to write
log files asynchronously which made it unsuitable for use on heavy-load
servers - e.g. medium to
Are there any Perl modules that can help modify a configuration file for
Apache? I'm looking for a method to script addition of virtual web sites
(done through mod_vhost_alias) and setting throttle values for the directory
associated with that virtual host. Can anyone suggest a method of modifying
Hello,
I run bind9 and have never used djbdns.
Me to but it does sound interesting,
I will probaly try on a new project.
little bit of *your* free time to even learn the djbdns file format.
So, who's being the bully here? Who's trying to make everyone do it
their way? Hmm?
you're
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:42:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:55:41PM -0500, bda wrote:
Whereas yours is entirely the usual BIND RULES DJB SUX0RS! variety.
actually, if you bothered looking, you'd find that i've said bind
sucks on numerous occasions. i said
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:54:21AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 07:43:26PM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
nobody with more than a handful of domains is going to throw everything
away and convert to a new nameserver program
Five of the
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:53, Toni Mueller wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:42:14PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:55:41PM -0500, bda wrote:
Whereas yours is entirely the usual BIND RULES DJB SUX0RS! variety.
actually, if you bothered looking, you'd find that
Excuse me, but isn't this thread getting really stupid? I can't
remember such a flamewar since a discussion about RBL and someone's
blocked email messages.
IMHO, everybody has something a lot more important to do, than to
participate in the latest (stupid,idiotic,etc) flamewar...
(what
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote:
Well, I just remembered that Wietse Venema once posted to postfix-users
talking about using ezmlm together with postfix. I then looked a bit
around in the source of postfix and found this readme: QMQP_README. I'm
including a
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:53, Toni Mueller wrote:
I DO NOT WANT TO CONVERT MY ZONE FILES. I WANT TO USE THEM AS-IS.
There is only one Unix way to use them (fortunately), and that's BIND.
There is also nsd. I've spent about 10 minutes playing with nsd and it looks
very promising, I've put in
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:47:43PM +0100, ? ? wrote:
Excuse me, but isn't this thread getting really stupid? I can't
remember such a flamewar since a discussion about RBL and someone's
blocked email messages.
(what next, the 'which is the best text editor' flamewar ?:))) )
We
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:55:26AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:27:35AM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote:
Gah. My sincerest apologies. I didn't realize until afterwards that the
reply was private-only, rather than CC'ed to me from the list, and thus
sent it back to the list.
The ``DNS and BIND'' book repeatedly tells people to check their logs.
Page 313 (3rd edition): ``Unless you [happen to see erroneous output or]
scan your syslog file assiduously, you might never notice the syntax
error!'' Page 80: ``Check the syslog file for error messages.''
So I put ``Look for
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:13:15PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:54:21AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 07:43:26PM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
nobody with more than a handful of domains is going to throw everything
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:00:07AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
there have been no arguments brought forward against the bind zonefile
format. a few people have claimed that it sucks but without providing
any reason or evidence. djbdns doesn't support it and djb doesn't like
it - that means
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