Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Maarten Vink
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:43:52 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We're running Debian with a custom 2.4.26 kernel on a couple of dual > > Xeon's, with apache 1.3.x without any problem. I'll admit that these > > are ligtly loaded servers for now, but we've done some stress testing >

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Jason Lim
> > We're running Debian with a custom 2.4.26 kernel on a couple of dual > Xeon's, with apache 1.3.x without any problem. I'll admit that these > are ligtly loaded servers for now, but we've done some stress testing > before they went into production and never saw this problem. > > Maarten Di

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Alex Borges
;gilles.hanotel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, 16 June, 2004 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > Unfortunately, I never did. The solu

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Maarten Vink
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:43:52 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We're running Debian with a custom 2.4.26 kernel on a couple of dual > > Xeon's, with apache 1.3.x without any problem. I'll admit that these > > are ligtly loaded servers for now, but we've done some stress testing >

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Jason Lim
> > We're running Debian with a custom 2.4.26 kernel on a couple of dual > Xeon's, with apache 1.3.x without any problem. I'll admit that these > are ligtly loaded servers for now, but we've done some stress testing > before they went into production and never saw this problem. > > Maarten Di

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Alex Borges
;gilles.hanotel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, 16 June, 2004 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > Unfortunately, I never did. The solu

RE: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Martinez Gonzalez, Francisco
n-isp@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:18:07 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Gilles , > > I'll try as well... hope we can find a solution. > > I have a few Redhat Linux 9 servers with Hyp

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Maarten Vink / Interstroom
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:18:07 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Gilles , > > I'll try as well... hope we can find a solution. > > I have a few Redhat Linux 9 servers with Hyperthreading CPUs, and no > problem whatsoever. I think they run Apache 2, so maybe that is the > solutio

RE: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-16 Thread Martinez Gonzalez, Francisco
EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:18:07 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Gilles , > > I'll try as well... hope we can find a solution. > > I have a few Redhat Linux 9 servers with Hyperthreading CP

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-15 Thread Maarten Vink / Interstroom
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:18:07 +0800, Jason Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Gilles , > > I'll try as well... hope we can find a solution. > > I have a few Redhat Linux 9 servers with Hyperthreading CPUs, and no > problem whatsoever. I think they run Apache 2, so maybe that is the > solutio

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-15 Thread Jason Lim
m and hyperthreading?! Jas - Original Message - From: "gilles.hanotel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 16 June, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hi Jason, > > > Unfort

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-15 Thread Jason Lim
m and hyperthreading?! Jas - Original Message - From: "gilles.hanotel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 16 June, 2004 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hi Jason, > > > Unfort

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-15 Thread Jason Lim
04 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hello, > > I've just found your message about hyperthreading problem with apache on the > debian list and I've exactly the same problem on my boxe... > > As I've not seen answer on the list I would li

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2004-06-15 Thread Jason Lim
04 5:13 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hello, > > I've just found your message about hyperthreading problem with apache on the > debian list and I've exactly the same problem on my boxe... > > As I've not seen answer on the list I would li

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-18 Thread Jason Lim
> > I do not appear to be having the same problem you guys are. The machine > > does not have a high load, but has not exhibited any problems > > whatsoever. Running vanilla source 2.4.23 from kernel.org. > > > > Are you using Debian kernel packages or vanilla source? Any other magic > > going on?

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-18 Thread Alex Borges
> I do not appear to be having the same problem you guys are. The machine > does not have a high load, but has not exhibited any problems > whatsoever. Running vanilla source 2.4.23 from kernel.org. > > Are you using Debian kernel packages or vanilla source? Any other magic > going on? Possibl

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-18 Thread Jason Lim
> > I do not appear to be having the same problem you guys are. The machine > > does not have a high load, but has not exhibited any problems > > whatsoever. Running vanilla source 2.4.23 from kernel.org. > > > > Are you using Debian kernel packages or vanilla source? Any other magic > > going on?

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-18 Thread Alex Borges
> I do not appear to be having the same problem you guys are. The machine > does not have a high load, but has not exhibited any problems > whatsoever. Running vanilla source 2.4.23 from kernel.org. > > Are you using Debian kernel packages or vanilla source? Any other magic > going on? Possibl

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-17 Thread Bryan Allen
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Alex Borges wrote: Except in my case, this error ONLY appears if SMP support is compiled into the kernel, otherwise, it runs smooth with very high load. Apache doesn't immediately have the problem with SMP compiled in tho... it takes maybe an hour or two before the

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-17 Thread Bryan Allen
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Alex Borges wrote: Except in my case, this error ONLY appears if SMP support is compiled into the kernel, otherwise, it runs smooth with very high load. Apache doesn't immediately have the problem with SMP compiled in tho... it takes maybe an hour or two before th

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-17 Thread Alex Borges
> Except in my case, this error ONLY appears if SMP support is compiled into > the kernel, otherwise, it runs smooth with very high load. Apache doesn't > immediately have the problem with SMP compiled in tho... it takes maybe an > hour or two before the problem appears. > That is consistent with

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-17 Thread Alex Borges
> Except in my case, this error ONLY appears if SMP support is compiled into > the kernel, otherwise, it runs smooth with very high load. Apache doesn't > immediately have the problem with SMP compiled in tho... it takes maybe an > hour or two before the problem appears. > That is consistent with

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
support *should* work for RAM less > > than that too :-/ > > > > Most frustrating. I will try re-compiling with your suggestion a bit > later > > today, and let you know how it turns out. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "T

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
> From: "Theodore Knab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > I am using the 2.4.20 kernel with SMP support on a Hyper-threading > > Intel. I remember havi

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
support *should* work for RAM less > > than that too :-/ > > > > Most frustrating. I will try re-compiling with your suggestion a bit > later > > today, and let you know how it turns out. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "The

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
I was also considering the possibility of hardware error, but if it works 100% reliably without HT/SMP, but virtually crashes at high load with Apache, that would pretty much rule out hardware error, unless the CPU's HT is buggy (highly unlikely). > Well, its not that the kernel does not detect

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
- > From: "Theodore Knab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > I am using the 2.4.20 kernel with SMP support on a Hyper-threading &

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Alex Borges
Well, its not that the kernel does not detect the ht, it does and quite fine (shows lots of processors in the box and all). The problem is that apache is crashing under high load with a segfault. Now, as i understand it, this can be a faulty hardware problem (bad memory=segfault) or an actual soft

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
> El mar, 16-12-2003 a las 12:39, Jason Lim escribió: > > Just noticed one more thing... it appears to be Apache causing the super > > high load (among other programs running) when SMP is compiled into the > > kernel, and with a bunch of errors in syslog: > > > > [Wed Dec 17 02:27:37 2003] [notice

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
ating. I will try re-compiling with your suggestion a bit later today, and let you know how it turns out. - Original Message - From: "Theodore Knab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
I was also considering the possibility of hardware error, but if it works 100% reliably without HT/SMP, but virtually crashes at high load with Apache, that would pretty much rule out hardware error, unless the CPU's HT is buggy (highly unlikely). > Well, its not that the kernel does not detect

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Alex Borges
Well, its not that the kernel does not detect the ht, it does and quite fine (shows lots of processors in the box and all). The problem is that apache is crashing under high load with a segfault. Now, as i understand it, this can be a faulty hardware problem (bad memory=segfault) or an actual soft

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Theodore Knab
I am using the 2.4.20 kernel with SMP support on a Hyper-threading Intel. I remember having problems getting it work with SMP support initially. I think the kernel has to be perfect. ;-) Do you have high memory support compiled in ? High memory support above 4GB might cause problems. If you do

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
> El mar, 16-12-2003 a las 12:39, Jason Lim escribió: > > Just noticed one more thing... it appears to be Apache causing the super > > high load (among other programs running) when SMP is compiled into the > > kernel, and with a bunch of errors in syslog: > > > > [Wed Dec 17 02:27:37 2003] [notice

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
ating. I will try re-compiling with your suggestion a bit later today, and let you know how it turns out. - Original Message - From: "Theodore Knab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Intel Hyperthrea

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Theodore Knab
I am using the 2.4.20 kernel with SMP support on a Hyper-threading Intel. I remember having problems getting it work with SMP support initially. I think the kernel has to be perfect. ;-) Do you have high memory support compiled in ? High memory support above 4GB might cause problems. If you do

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Alex Borges
> - Original Message - > From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > Hi All... > > > > Do you guys know anything about a problem w

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Alex Borges
> - Original Message - > From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > > > > Hi All... > > > > Do you guys know

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
think of a different angle on this? - Original Message - From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hi All... > > Do you guys know anything about a problem with Intel

Re: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
think of a different angle on this? - Original Message - From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server? > Hi All... > > Do you guys know anything abou

RE: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread C. R. Oldham
Jason, > Do you guys know anything about a problem with Intel > Hyperthreading (eg. Check your ACPI settings in your BIOS and in your kernel. I messed with ours on a couple of servers, I don't remember where I landed, but I think the only thing that worked reliably was just compiling the kernel

RE: Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread C. R. Oldham
Jason, > Do you guys know anything about a problem with Intel > Hyperthreading (eg. Check your ACPI settings in your BIOS and in your kernel. I messed with ours on a couple of servers, I don't remember where I landed, but I think the only thing that worked reliably was just compiling the kernel

Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
Hi All... Do you guys know anything about a problem with Intel Hyperthreading (eg. on the Intel 2.4Ghz HT-enabled processor) that would cause the load average to jump to over 200? Here is the log line: Dec 16 22:48:17 be watchdog[250]: loadavg 203 101 40 is higher than the given threshold 200 15

Intel Hyperthreading problem on server?

2003-12-16 Thread Jason Lim
Hi All... Do you guys know anything about a problem with Intel Hyperthreading (eg. on the Intel 2.4Ghz HT-enabled processor) that would cause the load average to jump to over 200? Here is the log line: Dec 16 22:48:17 be watchdog[250]: loadavg 203 101 40 is higher than the given threshold 200 15