RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-21 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 15:05, Thomas Lamy wrote: > You're wrong. round robin dns isn't HA, isn't load balancing, it's just > request spreading. You can't control how many (DNS-)clients cache one of the > RR IP's, therefore you won't get even load on your RR'ed servers. > Plus you _have_ to use a too

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-21 Thread Mathieu Martin
Thomas Lamy wrote: Mathieu Martin wrote: Mario Lopez wrote: Why not using 'roundrobin' ??? Install a couple of Web-Servers, give each Server an IP and then setup for each Server a A-Record on your DNS-Server pointing to the same hostname. The problem with round robin is th

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-21 Thread Thomas Lamy
Mathieu Martin wrote: > > Mario Lopez wrote: > > >>Why not using 'roundrobin' ??? > >> > >>Install a couple of Web-Servers, give each Server an IP and > >>then setup for each Server a A-Record on your DNS-Server > >>pointing to the same hostname. > >> > >> > > > > > >The problem with round

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-21 Thread Mathieu Martin
Mario Lopez wrote: Why not using 'roundrobin' ??? Install a couple of Web-Servers, give each Server an IP and then setup for each Server a A-Record on your DNS-Server pointing to the same hostname. The problem with round robin is that when one server fails over it keeps sending them co

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-21 Thread Mario Lopez
>Why not using 'roundrobin' ??? > >Install a couple of Web-Servers, give each Server an IP and >then setup for each Server a A-Record on your DNS-Server >pointing to the same hostname. The problem with round robin is that when one server fails over it keeps sending them connections, I once sa

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-20 Thread Thomas Lamy
Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Am 2003-09-17 01:49:31, schrieb Shri Shrikumar: > >Hi, > > > >I am looking to implement an Apache cluster with Load Balancing and > >failover and after going through several options, the only > one that is > >not too complex and does everything that I need seems to be

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-20 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2003-09-17 01:49:31, schrieb Shri Shrikumar: >Hi, > >I am looking to implement an Apache cluster with Load Balancing and >failover and after going through several options, the only one that is >not too complex and does everything that I need seems to be pen Why not using 'roundrobin' ??? Insta

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-19 Thread Markus Oswald
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 19:58, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: > Well there's the confusing part. You had said: > > I even use it on Netfilter firewalls without any trouble (without > the LVS support). > > It's the 'without the LVS support' that caught my eye. Yes, you can use keepalive without LVS (j

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-19 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 06:46:13PM +0200, Markus Oswald wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 16:41, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:44PM +0200, S?bastien Lefebvre wrote: > > > > > > > You might want to use keepalived which includes a vrrp > > > implementation. I'm running it on t

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-19 Thread Markus Oswald
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 16:41, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:44PM +0200, S?bastien Lefebvre wrote: > > > > > You might want to use keepalived which includes a vrrp > > implementation. I'm running it on the clusters I set up : > > http://keepalived.sourceforge.net/ I even use

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-19 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:44PM +0200, S?bastien Lefebvre wrote: > > > You might want to use keepalived which includes a vrrp > implementation. I'm running it on the clusters I set up : > http://keepalived.sourceforge.net/ I even use it on Netfilter > firewalls without any trouble (without the

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-18 Thread Sébastien Lefebvre
Has anybody played with vrrpd for creating a failover pair? I have a quite a low load, but would like to be able to handle a failure cleanly, so a pair of machines would do fine. The only other issue I have is a lack of external IP space, can you get vrrpd to do it's keep alive thing via a subi

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-18 Thread Markus Oswald
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 17:44, Jason Lim wrote: > Strangely enough, you might find FreeBSD (or one of the BSDs) working > better as the forwarded than Linux, due to it's better ability to handle > many multiple concurrent connections. YMMV of course. Is the balancer-functionality build into the Fre

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-18 Thread Jason Lim
> > No, I don't think this would work. You'll need a third box which will do > the balancing (well, maybe you could get it to work but it's not > intended this way). > > As I said before, the balancer doesn't have to be a fast machine - > almost anything you can find will be sufficient. > Strange

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-18 Thread Simon McCartney
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:46:45PM +0200, Markus Oswald wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:52, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > > Thanks for the response. Let me just clarify. If I have two boxes, I can > > configure both of them to be webservers and one of them to be the lvs > > node. I dont need a third

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-18 Thread Markus Oswald
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:52, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > Thanks for the response. Let me just clarify. If I have two boxes, I can > configure both of them to be webservers and one of them to be the lvs > node. I dont need a third machine to be a dedicated node. Is this > correct ? No, I don't think t

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread John Keimel
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 02:00:35PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > Looking at the documentation for LVS, it mentions that it needs two > nodes, a primary node and a backup node which then feeds into n real > servers. > We're using a single LVS server to balance things out to 4 webserver, 2 POP ma

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Thomas Lamy
Shri Shrikumar wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 18:46, Markus Oswald wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 15:00, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > > > > Looking at the documentation for LVS, it mentions that it > needs two > > > nodes, a primary node and a backup node which then feeds > into n real > > > serv

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 18:46, Markus Oswald wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 15:00, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > > Looking at the documentation for LVS, it mentions that it needs two > > nodes, a primary node and a backup node which then feeds into n real > > servers. > > Actually I never saw this men

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Markus Oswald
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:05, Joost Veldkamp wrote: > You can also have a look at www.ultramonkey.org , deb packages > avaialble. Simplifies the installation of LVS a lot. > Recently, there was a article in Sysadmin mag. about clustering. There > was an interesting part about openSSI, it can be fou

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Markus Oswald
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 15:00, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > Looking at the documentation for LVS, it mentions that it needs two > nodes, a primary node and a backup node which then feeds into n real > servers. Actually I never saw this mentioned in the documentation - I haven't looked at it for quite s

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Thomas Lamy
Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:50, Markus Oswald wrote: > > Personally I would suggest LVS / keepalived - IMHO it's the > most robust > > and powerful solution you can currently get. Definitely > worth a look... > > > > It's not as hard to setup as you think - you need a lit

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:50, Markus Oswald wrote: > Personally I would suggest LVS / keepalived - IMHO it's the most robust > and powerful solution you can currently get. Definitely worth a look... > > It's not as hard to setup as you think - you need a little bit of > experience for planing your

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Markus Oswald
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:07, Javier Castillo Alcibar wrote: > By the way, what filysystem do you recomend for these kind of > clusters?? NFS?? Coda?? Depends on what you want to do - for instance: Build a balanced server farm to handle a lot of traffic: Just use a NFS server as centralized storag

RE: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Javier Castillo Alcibar
By the way, what filysystem do you recomend for these kind of clusters?? NFS?? Coda?? -Mensaje original- De: Joost Veldkamp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: miércoles, 17 de septiembre de 2003 12:05 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Joost Veldkamp
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 09:50, Markus Oswald wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 02:49, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking to implement an Apache cluster with Load Balancing and > > failover and after going through several options, the only one that is > > not too complex and does everyth

Re: Apache clustering w/ load balancing and failover

2003-09-17 Thread Markus Oswald
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 02:49, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking to implement an Apache cluster with Load Balancing and > failover and after going through several options, the only one that is > not too complex and does everything that I need seems to be pen > > http://siag.nu/pen/ > >