Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Chris Wagner
14MB per session? I haven't admined email for a while so I may be out of touch, but it seems like that server should be able to process gigantic volumes of mail. Not just "a lot" or even "really a lot". What mail setup is it running? Throttling connections is the right way to go though. Spoolin

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Chris Wagner
14MB per session? I haven't admined email for a while so I may be out of touch, but it seems like that server should be able to process gigantic volumes of mail. Not just "a lot" or even "really a lot". What mail setup is it running? Throttling connections is the right way to go though. Spoolin

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Lucas Albers
Dale E Martin said: > Perhaps SA would be better implemented in something else, but like > everyone > else says, memory is cheap. Whatever makes the SA developers most > effective is fine by me at this point. As the other post mentioned, try SA+mimedefang if you need to run it on a box with low

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Lucas Albers
Dale E Martin said: > Perhaps SA would be better implemented in something else, but like > everyone > else says, memory is cheap. Whatever makes the SA developers most > effective is fine by me at this point. As the other post mentioned, try SA+mimedefang if you need to run it on a box with low

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Dale E Martin
> there are couple of solutions to original problem of mr Dale Martin, > some mentoined by others, like limiting number of connections etc. or I was the one who said ultimately we throttled our mail via limiting concurrent connections etc and we've been fine for some time. > adding ram. the real

RE: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Christian Storch
al Message- From: Dale E Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:31 AM To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: You can start saving now > 128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A > P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyw

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 24 May 2004 13.57, Matej Kovac wrote: [] > test what takes > so long for spamassassin, and report it. Please file a bug against spamassassin and tell them using perl is a bug. Perhaps even Severity: important since it affects performance severely. Seriously, what was your point of

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Dale E Martin
> there are couple of solutions to original problem of mr Dale Martin, > some mentoined by others, like limiting number of connections etc. or I was the one who said ultimately we throttled our mail via limiting concurrent connections etc and we've been fine for some time. > adding ram. the real

RE: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Christian Storch
al Message- From: Dale E Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: You can start saving now > 128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A > P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyway who

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-24 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 24 May 2004 13.57, Matej Kovac wrote: [] > test what takes > so long for spamassassin, and report it. Please file a bug against spamassassin and tell them using perl is a bug. Perhaps even Severity: important since it affects performance severely. Seriously, what was your point of

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Michael Loftis
--On Sunday, May 23, 2004 23:30 -0400 Dale E Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a colocated machine, put together by the colo. 128M is actually plenty for handling mail for 10s of people and serving webpages - if you don't use spamassassin... It's doing fine ever with SA now that it's t

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Dale E Martin
> 128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A > P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyway who's bright idea > was that? You can get ahold of 256M for like $100 or less, usually less. This is a colocated machine, put together by the colo. 128M is actually plent

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Michael Loftis
--On Sunday, May 23, 2004 23:30 -0400 Dale E Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a colocated machine, put together by the colo. 128M is actually plenty for handling mail for 10s of people and serving webpages - if you don't use spamassassin... It's doing fine ever with SA now that it's t

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Dale E Martin
> 128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A > P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyway who's bright idea > was that? You can get ahold of 256M for like $100 or less, usually less. This is a colocated machine, put together by the colo. 128M is actually plent

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Michael Loftis
128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyway who's bright idea was that? You can get ahold of 256M for like $100 or less, usually less. 128M hasn't been enough for a server, especially a heavily used one, for a ln

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Dale E Martin
> You really need a serious amount of mail for SA to bog down. As you all > realized, mail volume is relative. Even with just a few thousand mails a day, I have had a Duron 1GHz machine (with 128M) come to a crawl due to spamassassin in the past. If there was any kind of outage then when the mai

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Michael Loftis
128M? My firewall has more than that. My personal firewall... A P120or 133...I honestly don't remember. But anyway who's bright idea was that? You can get ahold of 256M for like $100 or less, usually less. 128M hasn't been enough for a server, especially a heavily used one, for a ln

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Dale E Martin
> You really need a serious amount of mail for SA to bog down. As you all > realized, mail volume is relative. Even with just a few thousand mails a day, I have had a Duron 1GHz machine (with 128M) come to a crawl due to spamassassin in the past. If there was any kind of outage then when the mai

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Lucas Albers
Michelle Konzack said: > I do not know about 'surbl' but which files are the same ? > > Why not renaming the binaries ? > > On the other side I had a very little program which check > IP's with rbl but unfortunately I have lost it... > > I had a procmail recipe like for SA and it has marked the >

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-23 Thread Lucas Albers
Michelle Konzack said: > I do not know about 'surbl' but which files are the same ? > > Why not renaming the binaries ? > > On the other side I had a very little program which check > IP's with rbl but unfortunately I have lost it... > > I had a procmail recipe like for SA and it has marked the >

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-19 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2004-05-18 14:06:52, schrieb Lucas Albers: >I just wish the 2.53 Debian SA had surbl as part of it. >I have to install sa, and then do a make install on surbl. >I tried to make the surbl package as a deb file but it conflicted with sa >files. >Obviously, because they provide the same files. I

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2004-05-18 14:06:52, schrieb Lucas Albers: >I just wish the 2.53 Debian SA had surbl as part of it. >I have to install sa, and then do a make install on surbl. >I tried to make the surbl package as a deb file but it conflicted with sa >files. >Obviously, because they provide the same files. I

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Rod Rodolico
Sorry, now that i re-read it I see that I made it sound like SA was a hog. It has never impacted my server that I've seen. But, I only have it on a few accounts (it is opt-in for my clients, as is sanitizer), so I really don't know the impact. I just have noted that, even with spamd, it jumps to

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Rod Rodolico
Sorry, now that i re-read it I see that I made it sound like SA was a hog. It has never impacted my server that I've seen. But, I only have it on a few accounts (it is opt-in for my clients, as is sanitizer), so I really don't know the impact. I just have noted that, even with spamd, it jumps to

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Loftis
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2004 14:06 -0600 Lucas Albers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just wish the 2.53 Debian SA had surbl as part of it. I have to install sa, and then do a make install on surbl. I tried to make the surbl package as a deb file but it conflicted with sa files. Obviously, because th

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Lucas Albers
Rod Rodolico said: > 2) spamassassin uses some processing power, so I am only running it > against unknown senders What is your mail volume? You really need a serious amount of mail for SA to bog down. As you all realized, mail volume is relative. >From what I've seen you can handle 100-200K mess

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Lucas Albers
> Install spamassassin 2.63 which had filtered last > night around 480 SPAMS from 78 Mailinglists... > and then enable surbl, and set it to score at 6.0. Then submit 1-10 spam's that slip by per day to spamcop. I just enabled surbl on my external debian mail relay, and it is grabbing around 30% mor

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Loftis
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2004 14:06 -0600 Lucas Albers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just wish the 2.53 Debian SA had surbl as part of it. I have to install sa, and then do a make install on surbl. I tried to make the surbl package as a deb file but it conflicted with sa files. Obviously, because th

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Lucas Albers
Rod Rodolico said: > 2) spamassassin uses some processing power, so I am only running it > against unknown senders What is your mail volume? You really need a serious amount of mail for SA to bog down. As you all realized, mail volume is relative. >From what I've seen you can handle 100-200K mess

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-18 Thread Lucas Albers
> Install spamassassin 2.63 which had filtered last > night around 480 SPAMS from 78 Mailinglists... > and then enable surbl, and set it to score at 6.0. Then submit 1-10 spam's that slip by per day to spamcop. I just enabled surbl on my external debian mail relay, and it is grabbing around 30% mor

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-17 Thread Rod Rodolico
Pascal, Had the same problem with SpamAssassin. Came up with a work-around if you want to put some time in it. I use IMAP and have separate folders for each correspondent. I then have procmail run through a series of filters for these correspondents and shove matching e-mail into the folder. Th

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-17 Thread Rod Rodolico
Pascal, Had the same problem with SpamAssassin. Came up with a work-around if you want to put some time in it. I use IMAP and have separate folders for each correspondent. I then have procmail run through a series of filters for these correspondents and shove matching e-mail into the folder. Th

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Daniel Schildt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 19:40]: > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:15:18 +0200 > Kilian Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess the large fear was always crossposts from inside > > lists.debian.org being rejected with member-only-permitted. IMHO can be > > circumvented while allow

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Daniel Schildt
On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:15:18 +0200 Kilian Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess the large fear was always crossposts from inside > lists.debian.org being rejected with member-only-permitted. IMHO can be > circumvented while allowing all of lists.d.o subscribers to post to all > lists. That w

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Daniel Schildt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 19:40]: > On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:15:18 +0200 > Kilian Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess the large fear was always crossposts from inside > > lists.debian.org being rejected with member-only-permitted. IMHO can be > > circumvented while allow

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Daniel Schildt
On Mon, 10 May 2004 12:15:18 +0200 Kilian Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess the large fear was always crossposts from inside > lists.debian.org being rejected with member-only-permitted. IMHO can be > circumvented while allowing all of lists.d.o subscribers to post to all > lists. That w

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:20 -0500, Gregory wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I believe Yahoo, Microsoft and others have talked about creating a > mail server registration system but no one is making any visible > progress. Whoever (maybe this group) comes up with the 'new and > improved' e

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:20:11 +0200, Andreas wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Richard Zuidhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 16:10]: > > Pascal Hakim wrote: > > > > > >We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, > > >as well as something called cross-assassin which g

RE: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Gregory Wood
will run gateway and individual PC filters. Greg Wood -Original Message- From: Richard Zuidhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:10 PM To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: You can start saving now Somebody please make this list member-only. I a

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Pascal Hakim wrote: On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 10:09:48PM +0200, Richard Zuidhof wrote: Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive through this list, it is my main source of spam. My take on this is that spam is both a client and a server issue. If you're not running

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Zuidhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 16:10]: > Pascal Hakim wrote: > > > >We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, as > >well as something called cross-assassin which gets cross posts against > >lists. > > > >For those wondering about the numbers, as far as this

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 10:09:48PM +0200, Richard Zuidhof wrote: > Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive > through this list, it is my main source of spam. > Making lists member-only makes it harder for people to participate. Most people who get a "Your messag

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Richard Zuidhof
Pascal Hakim wrote: > We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, as well as something called cross-assassin which gets cross posts against lists. For those wondering about the numbers, as far as this month is concerned, 376 messages (3.3 Mb) did not make it onto the list.

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:46:09AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote: > You have to weigh up the pros and cons of this. Agreed. > Presumably lists.debian.org already uses some kind of spam filtering, such > as using ordb.org or spamcop.net or something to filter spamming IPs > outright? > > Then on your en

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:20 -0500, Gregory wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I believe Yahoo, Microsoft and others have talked about creating a > mail server registration system but no one is making any visible > progress. Whoever (maybe this group) comes up with the 'new and > improved' e

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:20:11 +0200, Andreas wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Richard Zuidhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 16:10]: > > Pascal Hakim wrote: > > > > > >We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, > > >as well as something called cross-assassin which g

RE: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Gregory Wood
will run gateway and individual PC filters. Greg Wood -Original Message- From: Richard Zuidhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: You can start saving now Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick o

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Rhesa Rozendaal
Pascal Hakim wrote: On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 10:09:48PM +0200, Richard Zuidhof wrote: Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive through this list, it is my main source of spam. My take on this is that spam is both a client and a server issue. If you're not runni

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Zuidhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040510 16:10]: > Pascal Hakim wrote: > > > >We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, as > >well as something called cross-assassin which gets cross posts against > >lists. > > > >For those wondering about the numbers, as far as this

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 10:09:48PM +0200, Richard Zuidhof wrote: > Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive > through this list, it is my main source of spam. > Making lists member-only makes it harder for people to participate. Most people who get a "Your messag

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Richard Zuidhof
Pascal Hakim wrote: > We are running spam assassin plus a whole bunch of custom procmail, as well as something called cross-assassin which gets cross posts against lists. For those wondering about the numbers, as far as this month is concerned, 376 messages (3.3 Mb) did not make it onto the list.

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:46:09AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote: > You have to weigh up the pros and cons of this. Agreed. > Presumably lists.debian.org already uses some kind of spam filtering, such > as using ordb.org or spamcop.net or something to filter spamming IPs > outright? > > Then on your en

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Kilian Krause
Hi Chris, Am Mo, den 10.05.2004 schrieb Chris Wagner um 11:50: > I have to concur that we finally have to make this a restricted access list. > It's not that big a deal for a newb to have to sign up to ask their > question. However, remember that will do no good for the virus spam that can > come

list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Chris Wagner
I have to concur that we finally have to make this a restricted access list. It's not that big a deal for a newb to have to sign up to ask their question. However, remember that will do no good for the virus spam that can come from subscribed people's accounts. -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTE

Re: list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Kilian Krause
Hi Chris, Am Mo, den 10.05.2004 schrieb Chris Wagner um 11:50: > I have to concur that we finally have to make this a restricted access list. > It's not that big a deal for a newb to have to sign up to ask their > question. However, remember that will do no good for the virus spam that can > come

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2004-05-09 22:09:48, schrieb Richard Zuidhof: >Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive >through this list, it is my main source of spam. > >Richard Install spamassassin 2.63 which had filtered last night around 480 SPAMS from 78 Mailinglists... It will find

list spam (Re: You can start saving now)

2004-05-10 Thread Chris Wagner
I have to concur that we finally have to make this a restricted access list. It's not that big a deal for a newb to have to sign up to ask their question. However, remember that will do no good for the virus spam that can come from subscribed people's accounts. -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTE

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2004-05-09 22:09:48, schrieb Richard Zuidhof: >Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive >through this list, it is my main source of spam. > >Richard Install spamassassin 2.63 which had filtered last night around 480 SPAMS from 78 Mailinglists... It will find

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread John Keimel
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Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Richard Zuidhof
Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive through this list, it is my main source of spam. Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 4-5-20

You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Erich Fuller
Thank you for your mor tg age application, which we received yesterday. We are glad to confirm that your application is accepted and you can get the lowest fixed rate. Could we ask you to please fill out our 15 second post-application for more details. http://chasethesavings.com/?partid=sav

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-10 Thread Jason Lim
chard Zuidhof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 10 May, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: Re: You can start saving now > Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive > through this list, it is m

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-09 Thread John Keimel
Look!! A dead horse!!! *whack whack whack* j -- == + It's simply not | John Keimel+ + RFC1149 compliant!| [EMAIL PROTECTED]+ + | http://www.keimel.com + ===

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-09 Thread Jason Lim
chard Zuidhof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 10 May, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: Re: You can start saving now > Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive > through this list, it is my main source of spam. > > Ri

Re: You can start saving now

2004-05-09 Thread Richard Zuidhof
Somebody please make this list member-only. I am sick of the spam I receive through this list, it is my main source of spam. Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 4-5-20

You can start saving now

2004-05-09 Thread Erich Fuller
Thank you for your mor tg age application, which we received yesterday. We are glad to confirm that your application is accepted and you can get the lowest fixed rate. Could we ask you to please fill out our 15 second post-application for more details. http://chasethesavings.com/?partid=sa