Re: Supporting CLASSPATH for /etc/alternatives/java

2003-02-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Daniel Bonniot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second, should we specify that they should also treat the environment variables like Sun's java? Specifically, that they should honor the CLASSPATH variable? Please! At least sablevm is providing an alternative for java, but does not seem to look at

Re: Supporting CLASSPATH for /etc/alternatives/java

2003-02-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Daniel Bonniot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second, should we specify that they should also treat the environment variables like Sun's java? Specifically, that they should honor the CLASSPATH variable? Please! At least sablevm is providing an alternative for java, but does not seem to look at

kaffe 1.1 cvs

2003-02-24 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, does somebody have the inclination to package a kaffe CVS snapshot? I kinda need it for freenet -- 1.0.7 is not up to it. Maybe other packages would benefit, too. I may do it as a last resort, but don't feel that I could maintain the package in reasonable quality (no time to follow kaffe

Re: Ok, I'm back. I hope.

2002-11-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm really trying to make an effort at getting back on the Kaffe horse. As a token of that effort I am uploading a really lousy effort at a 1.0.7 package. Glad to have you back on board the fool's ship that is Java! Mostly I've just taken a few basic

Re: Ok, I'm back. I hope.

2002-11-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm really trying to make an effort at getting back on the Kaffe horse. As a token of that effort I am uploading a really lousy effort at a 1.0.7 package. Glad to have you back on board the fool's ship that is Java! Mostly I've just taken a few basic

Re: java-compiler useless?

2002-10-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notes: - should we use Sun style -classpath or GNU standard (and so gcj style) --classpath ? -classpath should definitely by supported. Most package's upstream build systems will follow Sun. Patching each occurance is silly. Of course, each javac may

Re: java-compiler useless?

2002-10-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notes: - should we use Sun style -classpath or GNU standard (and so gcj style) --classpath ? -classpath should definitely by supported. Most package's upstream build systems will follow Sun. Patching each occurance is silly. Of course, each javac may

Re: Packaging a library, with JNI and javadocs

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I'm thinking that maybe -java shoud be for true java and then use -jni for everything that is not true java. FWIW, perl libraries are currently packaged as ...-perl regardless of whether they include (arch dependent) shared objects or only perl

Re: Packaging a library, with JNI and javadocs

2002-09-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I'm thinking that maybe -java shoud be for true java and then use -jni for everything that is not true java. FWIW, perl libraries are currently packaged as ...-perl regardless of whether they include (arch dependent) shared objects or only perl code.

Re: [michaelc@lindows.com: [Matthias.Pfisterer@web.de: Re: autobuilders and java]]

2002-09-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Douglas Guptill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution here seems easy: replace save with store; the API seems to be the same. Or simply let it be. They're just warnings... The other problem seems to be inconsistencies in jikes: 1. It only reports *one* of the deprecated calls to store

Re: [michaelc@lindows.com: [Matthias.Pfisterer@web.de: Re: autobuilders and java]]

2002-09-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Douglas Guptill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution here seems easy: replace save with store; the API seems to be the same. Or simply let it be. They're just warnings... The other problem seems to be inconsistencies in jikes: 1. It only reports *one* of the deprecated calls to store

policy proposal: java2 alternative

2002-08-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Package: java-common Version: 0.14 Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As the policy maintainer I would like you to file this as a bug to java-common too. It helps me to remember it. Done. Going into minimal snipping mode due to that. On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 11:54:08AM +0200, Robert

Re: comments on proposed java policy

2002-08-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jan Evert van Grootheest [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. why is there a difference between java1 and java2? Isn't java1 virtually obsolete? Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software As long as there are no free implementations of java2 we can't let java1 slip into obsolescence. 2. why must

Re: Java policy

2002-08-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are some things that might want to be added before it becomes truly official. See the policy at: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ * gcj and how to handle that (should it be mentioned at all?). I don't have the

Re: [michaelc@lindows.com: [Matthias.Pfisterer@web.de: Re: autobuilders and java]]

2002-08-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Michael Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unfortunately, I tried to compile Limewire with Jikes and it failed. So does gcj. I've been asked to break these compilation bugs down into small test programs and write bugs for them, but my Java is not all that great so it's going to take some

policy proposal: java2 alternative

2002-08-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Package: java-common Version: 0.14 Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As the policy maintainer I would like you to file this as a bug to java-common too. It helps me to remember it. Done. Going into minimal snipping mode due to that. On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 11:54:08AM +0200, Robert

policy proposal: java2 alternative

2002-08-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I'm sponsoring a (contrib) package that depends on java2-runtime. I (as a user of the package) will have to install the Blackdown VM to make it work, but I still want other java programs to use Kaffe because it's free. Pointing the java alternative to Kaffe will break the package, though ... So

policy proposal: java2 alternative

2002-08-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I'm sponsoring a (contrib) package that depends on java2-runtime. I (as a user of the package) will have to install the Blackdown VM to make it work, but I still want other java programs to use Kaffe because it's free. Pointing the java alternative to Kaffe will break the package, though ... So I

Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Rick Lutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser market? It could also be because the perceived benefit for the user is

Java plugin advocacy

2002-05-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Rick Lutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why have browsers been stuck at 1.1 for years? Just a wild guess, but might it have something to do with MS stopping Java support with 1.1, and also controlling 80% of the browser market? It could also be because the perceived benefit for the user is

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being vague here :-(] some bundle of Java2 stuff, which would have the result that despite OpenOffice itself being free software, since a build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in free.

Re: deb for netbeans

2002-05-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought that the build process of OpenOffice depended on [I'm being vague here :-(] some bundle of Java2 stuff, which would have the result that despite OpenOffice itself being free software, since a build requires distinctly nonfree stuff, it can't go in free.

Re: problem installing java related stuff due to japanes man pages

2002-04-21 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hein Meling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # update-alternatives --display javac javac - status is auto. link currently points to /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/javac /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3/bin/javac - priority 1310 slave javac.ja.1.gz: /usr/share/man/ja/man1/javac.j2sdk13.1.gz slave javac.1.gz:

Re: problem installing java related stuff due to japanes man pages

2002-04-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hein Meling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Setting up jikes (1.15-1) ... update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/share/man/ja/man1/javac.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javac.ja.1.gz: No such file or directory What does update-alternatives --display javac result in? -- Robbe

Re: problem installing java related stuff due to japanes man pages

2002-04-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hein Meling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Setting up jikes (1.15-1) ... update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/share/man/ja/man1/javac.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javac.ja.1.gz: No such file or directory What does update-alternatives --display javac result in? -- Robbe

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-13 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Bihlmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me neither. That's the point of jikes-kaffe: relieving you from having to remember the obscure bootclasses path(s). Especially since the new kaffe upload removed /usr/share/kaffe

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also think the jikes-kaffe, etc proposals are silly: You should be able to achieve the same with a simple jikes -bootclasspath /wherever/kaffe/puts/Klasses.jar. Oh, you don't seem to know the path from the top of your head! Me neither. That's the point of

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-04-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefan Rücker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which may not be in Debian packages, or not even in publically-readable locations) into account. But how can you compile your programs without

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like [1] - Kaffe [2] - Other [admin enters path] [3] - IBM JDK [4] - Sun. etc... Another way is to provide small scripts

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debconf should be used to allow the user to select the priority of the classes that jikes should check for. IOW, something like [1] - Kaffe [2] - Other [admin enters path] [3] - IBM JDK [4] - Sun. etc... Another way is to provide small scripts

Re: CLASSPATH and Jikes

2002-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Rücker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] but then you have your compiler not running out of the box because many people use a big variety of libs for their programs (just think about xml or all the apache libs). Indeed, but a compiler can't take all installed libs (some of which may not

Re: Netscape 6.2 crashed by JAVA

2002-01-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
#ENG YI HAN# [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just got the latest Netscape 6.2 up. [...] I've also tried to work around the problem, but it is frustrated that a lof of the solutions provided were not Debian-based, [...] Why not try with Debian's mozilla packages, then? -- Robbe signature.ng

Re: Netscape 6.2 crashed by JAVA

2002-01-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
#ENG YI HAN# [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just got the latest Netscape 6.2 up. [...] I've also tried to work around the problem, but it is frustrated that a lof of the solutions provided were not Debian-based, [...] Why not try with Debian's mozilla packages, then? -- Robbe signature.ng

Re: Kaffe porting issues

2002-01-17 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any thoughts on version numbers? I was thinking something like: kaffe_1:1.0.6-cvs20020115_arch Sounds good. In the only package where I track CVS I use a + after the last released version to signify that this is the old version /plus/ something more.

Re: Kaffe porting issues

2002-01-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
What become of the effort of getting kaffe into woody? John R. Daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a broader perspective, the age of 1.0.6 would seem to militate for a CVS snapshot, and I suspect that individuals looking for support for kaffe would have no more difficult a time getting it

Re: Kaffe porting issues

2002-01-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
What become of the effort of getting kaffe into woody? John R. Daily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a broader perspective, the age of 1.0.6 would seem to militate for a CVS snapshot, and I suspect that individuals looking for support for kaffe would have no more difficult a time getting it

Re: Java or C/C++

2002-01-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could software created using Java be released under the GPL? Sure. To be truly free, IMO, it should be buildable without non-free software (e.g. with the Java compiler included with GCC). -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: Java or C/C++

2002-01-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having trouble choosing a language to develop for: Java or C/C++. I have made applications in both languages, and I must say that Java was certainly easier. To make your choice even harder (or maybe easier), you could try a few higher-level languages as well,

Re: Java or C/C++

2002-01-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am having trouble choosing a language to develop for: Java or C/C++. I have made applications in both languages, and I must say that Java was certainly easier. To make your choice even harder (or maybe easier), you could try a few higher-level languages as well,

Re: Kaffe porting issues

2001-12-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The question is do we want to proceed with the old 1.0.6 stuff or should I package something like 1.0.6.cvs-20011217? Any comments? If going up to current CVS would help kaffe going into woody, I'd be all for it. Currently woody has the same version

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] Me neither. For the record, I'm also dissenting with Guillaume's

Re: Java Classpath builder

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ftp://ftp.leanedit.org/debian-java/java-classpath_0.0.1-1_all.deb Could you please make this available also non-packaged for us poor non-debian users to have a look at ? FWIW, you can use ar p deb-file data.tar.gz | tar xz in a suitable

Re: [summary] Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pimlott) writes: On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 12:21:57PM +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote: According to discussion, it seems we agreed on following points: I didn't realize there was consensus, [...] Me neither. For the record, I'm also dissenting with Guillaume's

Re: Java Classpath builder

2001-11-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ftp://ftp.leanedit.org/debian-java/java-classpath_0.0.1-1_all.deb Could you please make this available also non-packaged for us poor non-debian users to have a look at ? FWIW, you can use ar p deb-file data.tar.gz | tar xz in a suitable directory

Re: debian-powerpc: how do I run a java app

2001-11-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
First off, some of your questions are for example answered on debian-java at the start of the new on this list thread that is still active (but whose topic drifted). Scanning the list archives helps. Brendan J Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to run a java app. How do install and use

Re: New on the list - java on debian?

2001-11-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Steffen Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to get Java running on my Debian box. What is the best procedure? apt-get install java-virtual-machine This will list all available packages providing a JVM. Select one and install it via apt-get. I have heard about various different

Re: New on the list - java on debian?

2001-11-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Steffen Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to get Java running on my Debian box. What is the best procedure? apt-get install java-virtual-machine This will list all available packages providing a JVM. Select one and install it via apt-get. I have heard about various different

Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin A. Burton) writes: Robert Bihlmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, why would I want to distinguish api documentation from other documentation? For libraries the former is the most important information there is ... Because most people won't care about API

Re: Intend to NMU jikes

2001-11-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Stefan Gybas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * New upstream release (closes: #116644) Good! * Compile using g++ 3.0 and default optimization (-O2) on i386 Actually, you're compiling with g++-3 on all arches. (FWIW, I'd set CC to gcc-3.0, too, just for good measure.) If nobody objects I'd

Re: policy proposition for javadoc installation

2001-11-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - distinction with standard documentation Um, why would I want to distinguish api documentation from other documentation? For libraries the former is the most important information there is ... -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: Summary of the idéas.

2001-11-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Drop the '-' on the link target. Standard libraries do not have anything like that. Don't drop the dash, think about: libmp311.jar That's confusing to users and programs. Shared libraries do have .so., but anyway there's no need to copy shlibs religously.

java-policy questions

2001-10-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, I have some minor questions/suggestions regarding the Java policy URL:http://people.debian.org/~opal/java/policy.html Programs must have executable(s) in /usr/bin and be executable. Is it acceptable for a daemon that is controlled via a /etc/init.d script to do without the wrapper in