Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-04 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Hi Andrew, Andrew Suffield wrote: I can live with this view (even though an argument could be made about the fact that many VMs (I do not know specifically about Kaffe) internally use bytecodes from the class library to handle internal data structures [think of a just-in-time compiler written in J

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
[This is no longer particularly important] On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:37:49AM -0500, Etienne Gagnon wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > >Kaffe is essentially a filter that takes java > >bytecode as input and emits program code on the fly (this is > >technically incomplete, but effectively equivalent

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-03 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Andrew Suffield wrote: Kaffe is essentially a filter that takes java bytecode as input and emits program code on the fly (this is technically incomplete, but effectively equivalent for the sake of this argument). The input to a filter cannot be a derivative work of it; we don't *care* about the sta

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:40:59AM -0500, Etienne Gagnon wrote: > The opinion of debian-legal would be highly appreciated by all involved in > this > long running thread of discussion about the implications of: > > 1- Kaffe being licensed under the GNU GPL. > 2- Kaffe's class library being licens

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-02 Thread Dalibor Topic
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Dalibor Topic wrote: It would have been nice if you had made the arguments of each side clear, before attacking my position. The discussion has not taken place on debian-legal, but on debian-java. I appreciate the way Gadek presented both sides of the previuos argument.

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-02 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: It would have been nice if you had made the arguments of each side clear, before attacking my position. The discussion has not taken place on debian-legal, but on debian-java. I appreciate the way Gadek presented both sides of the previuos argument. You have a good point, th

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-02 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:51:37PM +0100, Dalibor Topic wrote: > My first issue is with the subject line: Kaffe uses plain GPL, not some > special 'Kaffe's GPL'. It should be FSF's GPL, if you'd want to > attribute it someone special. I read "Kaffe's (GPL and GPL incompatible Java software)", no

Re: Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-02 Thread Dalibor Topic
Hi Etienne, let's have some non-lawyerish philosophical licensing discussion fun again ;) My first issue is with the subject line: Kaffe uses plain GPL, not some special 'Kaffe's GPL'. It should be FSF's GPL, if you'd want to attribute it someone special. Etienne Gagnon wrote: Hi Debian-legal

Kaffe's GPL and GPL incompatible Java software [Was: Undistributable java in main]

2003-11-02 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Hi Debian-legal, Egon and Dalibor, The opinion of debian-legal would be highly appreciated by all involved in this long running thread of discussion about the implications of: 1- Kaffe being licensed under the GNU GPL. 2- Kaffe's class library being licensed under the GNU GPL. 3- Differeing interp