Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Walter Landry
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 09:24:41PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 09:51:18PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Agreed. In particular, in such a hybrid licence, the word this License in the GPL text would naturally be taken to refer to

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:11, Branden Robinson wrote: If I go further, and patent my modifications, to which in the United States the only barrier appears to be the money to pay a patent lawyer to file a claim with the USPTO, then the FSF has a real problem. No, then you have a section 6 and 7

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 16:48, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 06:06:19PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Hm, you probably ought to be aware that the PHPNuke people seem to have interpreted it as an authoritative statement from the FSF:

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:38:48PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Hm, you probably ought to be aware that the PHPNuke people seem to have interpreted it as an authoritative statement from the FSF: http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=4947 I wish I had been more

Re: The Helixcommunity RPSL is not DFSG-free

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:49, Andrea Glorioso wrote: tb == Thomas Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tb It's not about what's fair; they make a license, they get to tb have whatever license they want, but it's not a free software tb license. Last time I heard, FSF was still

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:53:22PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Actually, I think Copyright 2003, FSF and others (see file /foo/bar for details) [no warranty] would be an appropriate copyright notice. So, there's a minor problem, but not an unbounded problem. I'm just not sure I see an

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:28:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are an object form. The page transmitted by PHP-nuke is not the preferred form for modification (which has the PHP code embedded within it), and so not source. It is produced by mechanical transformation fromt he source,

Re: OSD DFSG convergence

2003-03-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: According to (2)(c) of version 2 of the GNU GPL, the only code which announces anything that you're not allowed to remove is the copyright notice and the warranty disclaimer. There are four things that you are not allowed to remove: 1. copyright

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 18:34, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit David Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 17:16, Henning Makholm wrote: FooWebProg is Copyright 2003, a

Re: Licensing clarification on GnuMICR font (GPL)

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:13:41PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - stumbled across a discussion of the licensing of my GnuMICR font on this list, last September. (btw... when discussing licensing inconsistencies in someone's software, cc'ing them would be helpful!) Well, I think a

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 15:39, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 03:04:10PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Furthermore, a broad interpretation of 2c would be inconsistent with the way most FSF programs actually work. The stuff in GNU coreutils doesn't generally spew a copyright

Re: Licensing clarification on GnuMICR font (GPL)

2003-03-03 Thread Eric Sandeen
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 16:20, Branden Robinson wrote: In my opinion, there is a little bit of vagueness in the following: This font may only be distributed with the license and the source code to the font intact. It's not exactly clear to me how the GNU GPL applies to fonts, but

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:42:01PM -0500, David Turner wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:11, Branden Robinson wrote: If I go further, and patent my modifications, to which in the United States the only barrier appears to be the money to pay a patent lawyer to file a claim with the USPTO, then

Re: OSD DFSG convergence

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:50:38PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: According to (2)(c) of version 2 of the GNU GPL, the only code which announces anything that you're not allowed to remove is the copyright notice and the warranty disclaimer. There

Re: The Helixcommunity RPSL is not DFSG-free

2003-03-03 Thread David Turner
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 18:38, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:14:15PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Maybe for convenience, I'll use [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I've got the FSF hat on, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] otherwise. That's a fairly subtle distinction; I recommend changing your

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 05:58:32PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Additionally. PHPNuke *isn't* merely an underlying tool -- its copyrighted layout, graphics, HTML, and Javascript are included in its output. By simply switching the theme, you could arrive at a situation where there is little or

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 06:06:58PM -0500, David Turner wrote: A program in the middle of a pipeline never directly accepts input from the user, nor does it output direcly to the user. Therefore it is not interactive. Bingo. PHPNuks is just that program. Its pipeline looks like: web

Re: OSD DFSG convergence

2003-03-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 07:28:03PM -0500, David Turner wrote: I agree that that's a reasonable and canonical interpretation of '4'. My concern is with alternative interpretations of it, given that some people here are advocating quite liberal stretching of the term interactive to

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 08:08:57PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: A program in the middle of a pipeline never directly accepts input from the user, nor does it output direcly to the user. Therefore it is not interactive. Bingo. PHPNuks is just that program. Its pipeline looks like:

Re: OSD DFSG convergence

2003-03-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003, John Goerzen wrote: Note: I know of no legal jurisdictions that assign legal rights to executing computer processes. Aparently, this will happen in 2053: Berne, the Finn said, ignoring him. Berne. It's got limited Swiss citizenship under their equivalent of the Act

Re: OSD DFSG convergence

2003-03-03 Thread Tim Spriggs
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 07:28:03PM -0500, David Turner wrote: Note: I know of no legal jurisdictions that assign legal rights to executing computer processes. virii exempt :) .-=| Tim Spriggs |=-. (||) Systems Admin.

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 08:06:36PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: Are you really asserting that a single program can be both interactive and engaging in an act of redistributing its source code at the same time? That sounds ludicrous and farfetched to me, given that both statements, by

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 05:36:11PM -0500, David Turner wrote: If a web-based CMS constitutes interactive use in any fashion, I would argue that this could only be so inasmuch as we consider clicking on links within the website to be part of a single interactive session, because otherwise