Re: Any legal issues when copying an API?

2003-11-19 Thread Uwe Steinmann
Hi Brian, Henning, Nathanael thanks for bringing some light into this issue. I feel like I'm not walking on thin ice and it's worth continuing my work. Uwe On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:55:13AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > >I wonder if there are any legal issues if I took the descript

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Sorry for the late reply, but I was a bit busy. Anthony DeRobertis said on Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:13:59AM -0500,: > 1. Person A creates a work, and applies the GPL to it. You have a > license to A's work. You may not have a copy, but you still have > a license. > 2

Re: freeamp -> zinf transition

2003-11-19 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [Cc'ed -legal, as this is a legal question; please CC me on replies, I'm not on -legal] > Hello. > > I have just noticed today that freeamp has been sort-of-renamed to > zinf in sarge. > > Is there any particular reason why a dummy freeamp package does

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
"Mahesh T. Pai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The law, as it stands,does not give you the right to modify, or > distribute a copyrighted work. But, so long as your's is a legal copy > you are free to exercise all fair use rights available to you under > the law of copyright. What you

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:05:57AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > >> ;;; 3. All materials developed as a consequence of the use of this software > >> ;;;shall duly acknowledge such use, in accordance with the usual > >> standards > >> ;;;of acknowledging credit in academic research. > >

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:23AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:39:56AM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > > We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within > > Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see > > some more opinions

Re: freeamp -> zinf transition

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:48:41PM +0100, Andreas Rottmann wrote: > I'll provide one ASAP, however a problem is that "Amp" is a trademark > of NullSoft (the company producing WinAmp) and thus FreeAmp has > been renamed. As an aside, this trademark is absurd and probably unenforcible. winamp has ne

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:29:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On reflection, we've rejected this exact clause (in its MIT Scheme > incarnation) as non-free in the past, after some heavy analysis of the > wording. All I found was the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-19 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Kenshi Muto wrote: > > > At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, > > > Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 > > > > =

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:07:43PM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:29:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> On reflection, we've rejected this exact clause (in its MIT Scheme >> incarnation) as non-free in the past, after some heavy analysis of >> the wording. > All I fou

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Brian T. Sniffen said on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:15:12AM -0500,: > enumerated in US legislation -- they are alluded to in some laws, and > mentioned in court cases, but intentionally underspecified. 'Law' is what the courts say it is. May be, the US legal system has a different view of the copy

Re: "Open Software License" and patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:46:11PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > On 2003-11-17 18:46:53 + Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > >I think this one's non-free too. It's certainly absurdly overbearing. > > > > I agree. Over-generalisation. Given that there s

Re: Proposed Apache license & patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
"Mahesh T. Pai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian T. Sniffen said on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:15:12AM -0500,: > > > enumerated in US legislation -- they are alluded to in some laws, and > > mentioned in court cases, but intentionally underspecified. > > 'Law' is what the courts say it is. May b

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:41:32PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:52:22PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > There may also be issues with the firmware: the source is /not/ GPL'ed, but > > the hex files from Atmel are. I am not sure if this is possible, and if it > > is

[OT] Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: > No you aren't. I've never met an academic who did this unless it was > actually relevant to the talk. Normally you just put a footnote in > the associated paper. Often you'll see an acknowledgement/thanks page in talks which lists who actually did the

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:00:48PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > But you do not seem to see my point: the human readable sources of the > > firmware files are _not_ open. The hex files, ie. the compiled form, > > in ACSII format they say _are_ GPL'

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If the hex files are GPLed, they are probably not distributable -- hex .c > > files probably do not fall into the GPL's definition of source > > code > Maybe there can be an exception because the code is not run on the host > but on the device? Who d

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:25:44PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If the hex files are GPLed, they are probably not distributable -- hex .c > > > files probably do not fall into the GPL's definition of source > > > code > > > Maybe there can be a

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Oliver Kurth wrote: > Sigh. So if Atmel says these files are no longer GPL'ed, but are just > freely distributable, it could at least go to non-free? Yes. > Sounds ridiculous. (Law is too complicated to me, so I stick to > programming ;-) ) Thats part and parcel of the GPL..

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License,

2003-11-19 Thread Joe Moore
Steve Langasek said: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:48:12PM -0500, Joe Moore wrote: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=24>>> > Thanks. I think the new S5 looks like this: > >> > 5. Reciprocity. If You institute patent litigation against any >> > entity (including a cr

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Am Mi, den 19.11.2003 schrieb Don Armstrong um 22:25: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > Sigh. So if Atmel says these files are no longer GPL'ed, but are just > > freely distributable, it could at least go to non-free? > > Sounds ridiculous. (Law is too complicated to me, so I stick to

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Oliver Kurth wrote: > > Sigh. So if Atmel says these files are no longer GPL'ed, but are just > > freely distributable, it could at least go to non-free? > > Yes. > > > Sounds ridiculous. (Law is too complicated

Re: "Open Software License" and patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-19 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-11-19 19:19:53 + Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No idea why elfutils is still in the archive given the above. I've submitted a bug report for elfutils, as this one seems beyond all doubt. I'll report back with any developments. Hope that's OK.

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, doesn't Atmel promise by distributing the .hex files under the GPL > to either "Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable > source code" or "Accompany it with a written offer, No. They are the copyright holder, so they can

Re: Bug#221709: ITP: at76c503a-source -- at76c503a driver source

2003-11-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The firmware is needed. Without it, the device is completely dumb. > But there are some devices which can store the fw permanently. Also, > the fw is distributed on their (windows) installation CDs. Do these CDs accompany the hardware when bought? In th

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-19 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 19 Nov 03 18:12:44 GMT, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: I'm sorry but I missed this mail. > > I'm not sure there's any reason to believe that there are licensing > > problems with these fonts. >

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-19 Thread Miles Bader
Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One question to ask is "is this useful fonts?" If not, we have totally > different ground to remove this package based on uselessness :-) Are there any other good-looking japanese TTF fonts in debian? I ttf-kochi-{gothic,mincho} and I remember every other