Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread MJ Ray
"Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One's modification and distribution over a network of that software, > let's be explicit. And I argue that this extra cost is no greater than > the cost of providing the network interface that's triggering this > clause in the first place. I d

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread MJ Ray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Arc Riley wrote: > > I agree, which is why we chose the AGPLv3 for our project. > > > > I've gotten the impression, though, that many people on this list are > > arguing against the AGPL on the basis that they want to retain people's > > "freedom" to exploit the ASP looph

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Arc Riley
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:08 AM, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One's modification and distribution over a network of that software, > > let's be explicit. And I argue that this extra cost is no greater than > > the cost of providing th

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Karl Goetz
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 09:19 -0400, Arc Riley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:08 AM, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > One's modification and distribution over a network of that > software, > > l

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Ben Finney
"Arc Riley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It has already been made clear that you're not required to > distribute the modified source on the same network connection as the > remote interaction. Has it? I haven't seen how anything but "convey the corresponding source at the same time and from the

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Arc Riley
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Suppose the following scenario: > > Someone gives you a CD with debian, and you install the weblog tool, > which happens to be agpl. > Your internet connection is two way satalite, 500mb/month, data both > directions costs, a

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/9/11 Arc Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You just changed it. >> You now have to make it available (with its dependancies? i'm not sure). > > No. It is neither standard nor customary to re-release an entire package > for a small bugfix. You could just upload a patch to the project's mailing >

PHP5 - ext/standard/rand.c is not dfsg conform

2008-09-11 Thread Jan Wagner
Package: php5 Version: 5.2.0-8 Severity: serious Please have a look into line 144-148 of ext/standard/rand.c: "When you use this, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with an appropriate reference to your work. It would be nice to CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [php-maint] Bug#498621: PHP5 - ext/standard/rand.c is not dfsg conform

2008-09-11 Thread Ondřej Surý
Author homepage: http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/emt.html Current license of the code http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/MT2002/elicense.html So looks like documentation bug. Ondrej. 2008/9/11 Jan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Package: php5 > Version: 5.2.0-8 > Seve

Re: [php-maint] Bug#498621: PHP5 - ext/standard/rand.c is not dfsg conform

2008-09-11 Thread Jan Wagner
On Thursday 11 September 2008, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Author homepage: http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/emt.html > > Current license of the code > http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/MT2002/elicense.html > > So looks like documentation bug. Okay ... but how to process here

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread MJ Ray
"Arc Riley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:08 AM, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > One's modification and distribution over a network of that software, > > > let's be explicit. And I argue that this extra cost i

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/11 MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So in case this is an unreasonable burden, the GPL *and* AGPL provide >> other ways to convey source, like CDs. > > How would that satisfy section 13? A CD isn't a network server. A network server, su

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed kvirc

2008-09-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:56:27 +0200 Raúl Sánchez Siles wrote: > Hello All: > > I'm working to close correctly bug #495269. Good, your effort is really appreciated. > OpenSSL exception for GPL has > been overlooked until now. [...] > As KVIrc main developer states, next stable release 3.4.

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-11 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If the two licenses are "nearly identical", then surely the difference > in the effect of the license terms is important enough that the FSF > promotes the AGPL on the basis of that difference. To do otherwise is > to argue against the very license prolifer