Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread John Hasler
Riku Voipio writes: > Why doesn't QTv2 fall under the "system" clause? Because it isn't priority essential. > to quote GPL: > "the source code distributed need not include > anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary > form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:09:19AM -0400, Navindra Umanee wrote: > Aren't commercial companies distributing GNU tools such as EGCS with > their commercial OSes (proprietary libc)? They shouldn't be. Doesn't mean they aren't, but they shouldn't be. -- Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Sat May 29 10:03:30 1999 Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is hotly debated, some people say that nothing X-based should be > considered "part of the operating system", others say that Qt, gtk, and X > are all part of Linux, and others still say that Qt would have to be at >

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Sat May 29 09:55:38 1999 Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Riku Voipio wrote: > > Why doesn't QTv2 fall under the "system" clause? > > It might, but that will make no difference. That clause would let other > people distribute GPL'd programs linked with Qt. It wouldn't help

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:50:05AM +0300, Riku Voipio wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:00:22PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > > Um.. no... it's more like: > > > developers to debian-legal: "Is the GPL compatible with QT? I.e., is > > it legal to link GPL'd code to QTv2?" > > > Debian-leg

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:50:05AM +0300, Riku Voipio wrote: > Why doesn't QTv2 fall under the "system" clause? Afterall, we know > several GPL:d apps that link them on motif, for example ddd. It can, however > to quote GPL: > > "the source code distributed need not include > anything that

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Richard Braakman
(This is sent to both debian-legal and debian-devel, because the mail I'm replying to was, and I'm seeing this mistake made far too often to leave it uncorrected.) Riku Voipio wrote: > Why doesn't QTv2 fall under the "system" clause? It might, but that will make no difference. That clause would

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-29 Thread Riku Voipio
On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:00:22PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > Um.. no... it's more like: > developers to debian-legal: "Is the GPL compatible with QT? I.e., is > it legal to link GPL'd code to QTv2?" > Debian-legal to developers: "Not that we can see. QT and GPL are > incompatible". > I

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Fri May 28 17:09:01 1999 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ivan writes: > > Debian just lives by the CYA policy. :) I don't know about the others. > > They probably follow the same thoughts as everyone else. > > Or the advice of their attorneys. > > Lawyer to Red Hat exec: "If we

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:30:58AM -0400, Navindra Umanee wrote: > > Please don't assume what people claim is political agenda is in fact > > political. Qt is nicely free now, I'm quite proud of the license (I > > should be, considering it's my license) Doesn't mean the GPL likes it. > > Well,

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
"Andrew Wansink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Well, it just so happens that I have permission from abisource, I have had it all along actually. Nobody ever asked me whether abisource knew or not, they just started up with their know-nothing, know-it-all bullshit opinions which I nei

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Raul Miller
Navindra Umanee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Btw, neither Caldera, RedHat, SuSE, Corel, Mandrake, Slackware,... > seem to think there's much of a problem. Any idea why that would be? > Are their lawyers any different from Debian lawyers? None of these folks operate in the distributed fashion of d

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Fri May 28 08:50:34 1999 Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > KDE was pulled for LEGAL reasons. They are close to being resolved, but > to be quite honest, all the people pretending they are political and not > legal are GETTING IN THE WAY of fixing the problem. Btw, neither Calde

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Fri May 28 08:23:17 1999 Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please don't be dissuaded by politicians or their harassment. > > Apparently the authors think it's okay, so if you want to do it, just > > go right ahead. You might want to establish a dialog with the > > AbiSource fo

(Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Andrew Wansink
Well, it just so happens that I have permission from abisource, I have had it all along actually. Nobody ever asked me whether abisource knew or not, they just started up with their know-nothing, know-it-all bullshit opinions which I neither asked for nor wanted. So, to all the debian-legal m

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:37:37AM -0400, Navindra Umanee wrote: > > Under Linux, why are you using GTK+ instead of Qt? Politics. Most of > the truly nerdy open source people prefer GTK+, since Qt is not quite > free enough for the deepest dogma. We want the enthusiasm of those > super-geeks righ

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:41:51PM +1000, Andrew Wansink wrote: > I wasn't talking about the licenses, what I describe as a gnome plot > is all this unsolicited harassment by people trying to discourage > me. When I want counsel, I'll call a real solicitor. In the meantime, > keep your twit ag

Re: (Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Navindra Umanee
Montreal Fri May 28 00:31:13 1999 Under Linux, why are you using GTK+ instead of Qt? Politics. Most of the truly nerdy open source people prefer GTK+, since Qt is not quite free enough for the deepest dogma. We want the enthusiasm of those super-geeks right from the beginning, so we are making t

(Fwd) Re: [awansink@ke.com.au: Re: Isn't a kde version of abiw

1999-05-28 Thread Andrew Wansink
I wasn't talking about the licenses, what I describe as a gnome plot is all this unsolicited harassment by people trying to discourage me. When I want counsel, I'll call a real solicitor. In the meantime, keep your twit agendas to yourselves. I am really in no need of people telling me what I