Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:54:45AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: The legal documents, *as applied to a particular package*, must be retained verbatim. But the law itself doesn't prevent me from taking the GPL, modifying it, and using the modified version as a license for my own package. The

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 02:52:36PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Stephen Ryan wrote: The legal terms are not copyrightable; In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. Moreover, in Veeck v SBCCI we see that only federal, state and local laws are denied the protection of

If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's licenses (GPL, LGPL, FDL) are licensed is much stricter than even the

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Amaya
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote: The GPL c are allowed to be copied only in full without any modifications. Yes, we should put the GPL itself in non-free, and all the rest of Debian in contrib :-) -- .''`. Y al final, números rojos, en la cuenta del olvido : :' :

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 09:58, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote: Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040228 16:10]: The GPL c are allowed to be copied only in full without any modifications. Legally spoken, if some code is under whatever license, then nothing of the license is removable by anyone except the copyright holder. In the special

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Walter Landry
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's licenses

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:40:01AM -0500, Stephen Ryan wrote: It is clear to me that Debian has been proceeding with something roughly like the following: The legal documents (copyright notice, license) must be retained verbatim in order for all of us to avoid being sued into oblivion.

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le sam 28/02/2004 à 15:58, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley a écrit : Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-28 14:58:48 + Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the DFSG do apply to non-software -- has a descision been made on this? -- this would I think effectively stop Debian from distributing any GPLed work on a CD which conforms to the DFSG. The GPL on

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Walter Landry wrote: Actually, you are allowed to modify the license terms. You are just not allowed to modify the preamble. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL Not quite. There are two answers to this FAQ question on gnu.org, both in opposition to

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 16:35, Don Armstrong wrote (quoting the GPL FAQ): I think the key line is this: (You can use the legal terms to make another license but it won't be the GNU GPL.) The legal terms are not copyrightable; this is the FSF admitting that, in a very oblique way. I believe the

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Stephen Ryan wrote: The legal terms are not copyrightable; In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. Moreover, in Veeck v SBCCI we see that only federal, state and local laws are denied the protection of copyrights (in addition to the classes of works specificaly denied

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 08:04, MJ Ray wrote: The GPL on the CD is software. Absolutely, unequivocally, no debate on this one, right? Intention of Bruce Perens perhaps, intention of many others perhaps. I guess that gives anyone the right to claim this as uncontested fact. I think it's useful to

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The legal terms are not copyrightable; In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. Indeed. I might be wrong here, but I think that one of the ways the Law Society in England prevents non-solicitors from taking work away from qualified lawyers is by

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:07:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I think it's useful to distinguish between software and documentation and probably licenses (as legal instruments) too. Licenses are also documentation (of themselves). House rule: anybody who wishes to distinguish between