Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-25 Thread Lars Hellström
At 04.17 +0200 2002-07-23, Jeff Licquia wrote: >On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 18:24, Lars Hellström wrote: >> At 01.31 +0200 2002-07-22, Jeff Licquia wrote: >> >Right. The question is "what modification rights do you have?" There's >> >good reason to believe that the "must change the file name" clause mu

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-24 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Glenn Maynard writes: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 02:24:13AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > remember LPPL is not the license for the LaTeX kernel it is a > > > license being applied these days to several hundreds of indepeneded > > > works (individually!). > > > > Oops. Is the kernel unde

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 02:24:13AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > remember LPPL is not the license for the LaTeX kernel it is a > > license being applied these days to several hundreds of indepeneded > > works (individually!). > > Oops. Is the kernel under a different license than LPPL? I susp

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-23 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm writes: > also not violating LPPL but violating the spirit of it would be to add an > article.cls that just contained > \input{article-with-recurity-problem-removed.cls}. If such a simple-minded technique will not count in court as a

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-22 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 18:24, Lars Hellström wrote: > At 01.31 +0200 2002-07-22, Jeff Licquia wrote: > >Right. The question is "what modification rights do you have?" There's > >good reason to believe that the "must change the file name" clause must > >apply to derived works as well, so each time

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-22 Thread Lars Hellström
At 01.31 +0200 2002-07-22, Jeff Licquia wrote: >On Sat, 2002-07-20 at 15:16, Henning Makholm wrote: >> Scripsit Lars Hellström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > The discussion between Jeff and me turned up another main concern, >> > regarding the distribution of modified works. In his opinion (which I n

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-22 Thread Mark Rafn
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > For debian people: please consider this. I believe this voids many of the > intents of the license, as previously mentioned (sysadmins can use this > remapping feature to make \documentclass{article} load some other file > instead of 'article.cls'),

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-22 Thread Joe Moore
Frank Mittelbach wrote: > well they do to some extend but not really. The simplest solution for a > distributor would be (beside informing the authors of articl.cls) > simply not to distribute article.cls but only > article-with-recurity-problem-removed.cls (no i'm not really suggesting > thisas a

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-21 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
(Please CC me on answers: I'm not a member of debian-legal.) On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > Concern 1: requiring a change of filename in case of modification >in case of distribution > = > > this seems t

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-21 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2002-07-20 at 15:16, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Lars Hellström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The discussion between Jeff and me turned up another main concern, > > regarding the distribution of modified works. In his opinion (which I now > > suspect holds for at least those jurisdictio

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-21 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Henning Makholm writes: > Scripsit Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Henning Makholm writes: > > > > I'm sure it will be possible to find a way to *allow* a reasonably > > > painless fork without actually encouraging it. > > > but we do encourage fork! > > I think we have a la

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm writes: > > I'm sure it will be possible to find a way to *allow* a reasonably > > painless fork without actually encouraging it. > but we do encourage fork! I think we have a language program, then. As far as I understand, the w

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-20 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Henning Makholm writes: > I'm sure it will be possible to find a way to *allow* a reasonably > painless fork without actually encouraging it. but we do encourage fork! it usually leads to new good results for the whole community. but we encourage it in a way that it can be live sidelong with t

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-20 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Lars Hellström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The discussion between Jeff and me turned up another main concern, > regarding the distribution of modified works. In his opinion (which I now > suspect holds for at least those jurisdictions where copyright is something > which just arises rather tha

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-20 Thread Lars Hellström
At 12.15 +0200 2002-07-19, Frank Mittelbach wrote: >What I now would like to ask you about these four blocks is: > > on a): have i missed any important concerns or any important sub-argument > within a concern? The discussion between Jeff and me turned up another main concern, regarding

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-19 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Jeff Licquia writes: > Thanks for the effort. I generally agree with the points made, both > that they cover the issue well and that I concur with their analysis, > with the exceptions I note below. thanks for your comments (same to Henning) I'm not going to comment on them yet, but instead

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-19 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 05:15, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > so what i present here is essentially a set of concerns and comments that I > gathered from the various mails that people put up as a problem with LPPL or > rather as a problem behind the ideas behind LPPL (rereading and compiling took > me rou

Re: Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Concern 1: requiring a change of filename in case of modification >in case of distribution > = > > this seems to me the major stumbling point for most people and > (unfort

Question(s) for clarifications with respect to the LPPL discussion

2002-07-19 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Jeff wrote in one of his mails he is waiting for me to return with comments and I intend to do so, but first like to have things a bit more focused (for my own benefit at least :-) so what i present here is essentially a set of concerns and comments that I gathered from the various mails that peop