Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Sven Luther wrote: So, if i want to be protected, i have to give away my copyright ? Unless you want to do the protecting yourself, yes, since it's pretty difficult for the FSF to file a suit against someone without being the copyright holder. Although, they have been known

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 03:37:05PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Sven Luther wrote: Protection against users not respecting the licence and reusing GPLed code in proprietary software for example ? That's what organizations like the FSF are for. If you're concerned about

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-08-19 08:06:27 +0100 Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still wonder what this means for europe, where assigning copyright seems to be illegal or something. Measures with similar effect seem to be possible in other European jurisdictions. See the FSFE's work on the FLA.

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread Joe Moore
Sven Luther wrote: Well, imagine the following case. I have contributed some code to the linux kernel, if i want to sue SCO over it, i have to go to the US, and ruin myself in lawyer and other such nonsense. This clearly mean that only the rich and powerfull have the right to get their licence

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 08:41:57AM -0400, Joe Moore wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Well, imagine the following case. I have contributed some code to the linux kernel, if i want to sue SCO over it, i have to go to the US, and ruin myself in lawyer and other such nonsense. This clearly mean that

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread Michael Poole
Sven Luther writes: On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 08:41:57AM -0400, Joe Moore wrote: Similarly, did you follow the Microsoft vs. Lindo*s issue? Microsoft sued in US courts, failed to get an injunction, then venue shopped for a court that would give them the ruling they wanted, ending up in

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 03:35:49PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 08:41:57AM -0400, Joe Moore wrote: Sven Luther wrote: Well, imagine the following case. I have contributed some code to the linux kernel, if i want to sue SCO over it, i have to go to the US, and ruin

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 01:38:26PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: I saw a short note by Andrew Suffield regarding Choice of Venue in Free Software licenses, which was pointed to by the Debian weekly news. Choice of venue can be a useful clause for the purpose of protecting Free Software

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 03:01:59AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: In fairness he was responding to the Debian tabloid press, which traditionally takes an event, removes all semblence of useful information from it, and posts an inaccurate remark along with a URL to something inappropriate. So

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 03:44:09AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 03:01:59AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: In fairness he was responding to the Debian tabloid press, which traditionally takes an event, removes all semblence of useful information from it, and posts an

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Sven Luther wrote: i believe much as you do above, and that debian-legal has been slanted much in defending the rights of the user of free software, at the detriment of the upstream author. Even though this is a tangent point, Free Software involves defending the rights of

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 02:07:17AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Sven Luther wrote: i believe much as you do above, and that debian-legal has been slanted much in defending the rights of the user of free software, at the detriment of the upstream author. Even though

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Even though this is a tangent point, Free Software involves defending the rights of a user of Free Software. If the upstream author wants to protect and preserve their rights, they are interested in proprietary software, not Free

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 05:26:22PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:29:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Even though this is a tangent point, Free Software involves defending the rights of a user of Free Software. If the upstream author wants to protect and preserve

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Sven Luther wrote: Protection against users not respecting the licence and reusing GPLed code in proprietary software for example ? That's what organizations like the FSF are for. If you're concerned about such a thing, assign your copyrights to the FSF, and they will be

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 12:21:47AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Well, imagine the following case. I have contributed some code to the linux kernel, if i want to sue SCO over it, i have to go to the US, and ruin myself in lawyer and other such nonsense. This clearly mean that only the rich and

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Glenn Maynard
Bruce Perens walking in on a debate and attempting to hand down Word from Above without actually addressing any of the arguments that have been presented, as if three hundred posts of debate can be settled beyond dispute in just one ... -- Glenn Maynard

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Michael Poole
Bruce Perens writes: Choice of venue can be a useful clause for the purpose of protecting Free Software authors from frivolous lawsuits /against them /in venues where it is difficult or impossible to defend themselves, but where they could still be damaged. In general such damage would be due

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Andreas Barth
* Michael Poole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040818 00:25]: Bruce Perens writes: Choice of venue can be a useful clause for the purpose of protecting Free Software authors from frivolous lawsuits /against them /in venues where it is difficult or impossible to defend themselves, but where they

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Michael Poole
Andreas Barth writes: * Michael Poole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040818 00:25]: Bruce Perens writes: Choice of venue can be a useful clause for the purpose of protecting Free Software authors from frivolous lawsuits /against them /in venues where it is difficult or impossible to defend

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 01:38:26PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: Choice of venue can be a useful clause for the purpose of protecting Free Software authors from frivolous lawsuits /against them /in venues where it is difficult or impossible to defend themselves, but where they could still be

Re: Choice-of-Venue is OK with the DFSG.

2004-08-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 05:17:11PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: Bruce Perens walking in on a debate and attempting to hand down Word from Above without actually addressing any of the arguments that have been presented, as if three hundred posts of debate can be settled beyond dispute in just