Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-21 Thread Andreas Metzler
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:25:45PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: cdrtools uses this library, too, the license is: The libedc_ecc sources are protected intellectual property of Heiko Eißfeldt.

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 13:16, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um, isn't this just a clarification of GPL 2(a)? True, it's marginally more strict than what the GPL says (namely, the GPL does not require pointing to the original version) but the difference

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-09 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a fair amount more, in that it also requires me to justify why I made that change. Notice the and why part. Is that a substantial requirement? I did it because the Voices told me to. So? The GPL explicitly prohibits additional restrictions,

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] defaults.c is also under the plain GPL. There is a comment block about this: /* * WARNING you are only allowed to change this filename if you also * change the documentation and add a statement that makes clear * where the official location

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-06 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:25:45PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: cdrtools uses this library, too, the license is: The libedc_ecc sources are protected intellectual property of Heiko Eißfeldt. The libedc_ecc sources are definitely

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: Strictly speaking, our concerns are only whether a license is legimitate, and whether it's DFSG-free. Well, when we see stuff like the cdrdao license, which appears to create a dual-licensed mess along the lines of my hypothetical, I'd have

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:28:30AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: Strictly speaking, our concerns are only whether a license is legimitate, and whether it's DFSG-free. Well, when we see stuff like the cdrdao license, which appears to

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-04 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 12:20:31AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrecord has this: [...] | - The fact that cdrecord is linked against libedc_ecc does not |make libedc_ecc licensed under GPL. Section 2 of the GPL does |not apply in this

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-04 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 22:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:48:31PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: In short (as I understand it), placing software under the GPL with additional restrictions simply doesn't work. It does, if you dual-license it. If you don't, then in

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-04 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:04, Andreas Metzler wrote: |- | This software is under GPL with the following limitations: | | | - You may not modify certain copyright messages in cdrecord.c | | See cdrecord.c for further information. hmmm? cdrecord.c

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 10:09:04AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Hmm? Given the choice of the dual licenses: You can take my software, and use it under the GPL or You can take my software, and use it under something that sort of looks like the GPL, but does't allow you to

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:35:13PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:02:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 07:39:17PM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: [libecc/edc is non-free] Actually, the author offered to relicense the problem code under the GPL for

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:37:08PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:35:13PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [libecc/edc is non-free] In the meantime, the packages that include this code need to be moved out of main. What is the best way to do this? Bugreport

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrecord has this: |- | This software is under GPL with the following limitations: | - You may not modify certain copyright messages in cdrecord.c | See cdrecord.c for further information. That appears to

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 11:04:11PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: | This software is under GPL with the following limitations: This alone reminds me of this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200205/msg00062.html In short (as I understand it), placing software under the GPL

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:48:31PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: In short (as I understand it), placing software under the GPL with additional restrictions simply doesn't work. It does, if you dual-license it. If you don't, then in general you've got software without a license. -- G. Branden

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:25:45PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Perhaps Debian could solve this issue once and forever by paying 250 Euros to libedc_ecc's author, Heiko Eißfeldt? No. It's not the same to pay money to recover a proyect like Blender than to recover a little piece of

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Andreas Metzler
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:21:01PM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:25:45PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: Perhaps Debian could solve this issue once and forever by paying 250 Euros to libedc_ecc's author, Heiko Eißfeldt? No. It's not the same to pay

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:49:48AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: EUR250,- is not much money and until the replacement has been written, Debian is without distributable CD-writing software. Paying for a licence specific to Debian is not going to help us distribute it in main, though ... --

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:36:00AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:49:48AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: EUR250,- is not much money and until the replacement has been written, Debian is without distributable CD-writing software. Paying for a licence specific to Debian

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 07:39:17PM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:36:00AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:49:48AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: EUR250,- is not much money and until the replacement has been written, Debian is without

Re: cdrdao license issues show that cdrtools package is non DFSG, too?

2002-10-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:02:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 07:39:17PM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: Actually, the author offered to relicense the problem code under the GPL for EUR250, which would not be specific to just Debian. Oh, sorry, I followed the first