Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-26 Thread Federico Pietro Briata
Hi folks, 2016-04-25 9:43 GMT+02:00 Santiago Ruano Rincón : > From the other side, what about armel/armhf LTS support? No objecting > voices? > I enjoy my debian wheezy on my iop32x, which wheezy is the last supported release for my arch, so +1 for consider LTS support on my n2100. thanks, reg

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Hi, (fwiw, I am dropping all CCs except debian-lts) On 23/04/2016 14:41, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Concerning the other concerns that you brought up, they do not seem > specific to the support of the armel/armhf architectures. They > rather question the LTS project as a whole and the usage of mone

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2016-04-25 09:27:34, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > - I don't think that the bounty model gives the correct incentive for > > the security work, and you would have a hard time covering the hard > > packages... > > I think this is a critical part of

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2016-04-25 09:27:34, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > - I don't think that the bounty model gives the correct incentive for > the security work, and you would have a hard time covering the hard > packages... I think this is a critical part of it. Bounties are fine and fun if you want to scratch an

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, this is really getting off-topic from the initial discussion, so I'm dropping all lists except LTS and I add the leader in the loop (he was already following it but through debian-wb-team AFAIK). On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael He

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 02:07 +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > > Do you have some concrete suggestions? > Decrease the separation by moving the funds management into Debian proper (via > a TO like SPI) and move to a bounty model fo

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, just nitpicking about a single detail here… On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The reason why I did it within Freexian is that it was just the simplest > way to get it started and to prove that given some sane rules it's > possible to not harm the Debian commun

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-25 Thread Santiago Ruano Rincón
El 25/04/16 a las 02:07, Luca Filipozzi escribió: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Do you have some concrete suggestions? > > Decrease the separation by moving the funds management into Debian proper (via > a TO like SPI) and move to a bounty model for working

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, April 25, 2016 02:07:01 AM Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Do you have some concrete suggestions? > > Decrease the separation by moving the funds management into Debian proper > (via a TO like SPI) and move to a bounty model f

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Do you have some concrete suggestions? Decrease the separation by moving the funds management into Debian proper (via a TO like SPI) and move to a bounty model for working on LTS. Make sure we're transparent with our language rega

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2016-04-24 at 22:24 +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 09:45 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > > > > Am 18.04.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Guido Günther: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > I'm all for it (although it's easy to say for me since the most burden > > > will probably be on t

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 09:45 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > Am 18.04.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Guido Günther: > [...] > > > > I'm all for it (although it's easy to say for me since the most burden > > will probably be on the kernel team) and having it as experimental with > > a single sponsor seems se

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Consequently, I find the use of Debian resources such as the advertising > > above > > and/or the use of Debian machines as being problematic. > > It is really worse that indicating that some Debian services are handled > by a given (commercial) CD

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 09:55:10AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ makes it appear that LTS is an official Debian > > effort. > > And it is. There are multiple Debian developers who have initiated this > project, have been organizing it on debian-lts@lists.debian.org

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 04/24/2016 09:55 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: As a Debian developer (and not only as a freelancer/company owner) I do care about Debian LTS because it is important for Debian's long term relevance (at least according to me). An off-topic: As a Debian user (not a developer/programmer, at lea

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for the feedback. On Sat, 23 Apr 2016, Julien Cristau wrote: > I think one of the contentious points is how "Freexian raising funds to > work on Debian LTS" is already too close to calling itself "Debian LTS > fundraising", so I'm not sure bringing them closer would alleviate > anyone'

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-23 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 02:41:30PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > That's why I have been advocating for a change of the DMUP. It has been used > far too often to annoy persons who are being paid (or who are accepting > donations) to work on Debian instead of causing real troubles that could > anno

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-23 Thread peter green
On 23/04/16 13:41, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, On Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: I am not speaking on behalf of DSA here. Thanks for making this clear. I also want to explain why I included DSA in the discussion: I wanted to make sure that the fact that we run wheezy armel/a

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-23 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 14:41:30 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I have also been looking at ways to bring the "LTS funding" closer to Debian > and to find a way to join all this in the Debian Partner program but we > don't have many volunteers interested in this work. We discussed it a bit > last

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I am not speaking on behalf of DSA here. Thanks for making this clear. I also want to explain why I included DSA in the discussion: I wanted to make sure that the fact that we run wheezy armel/armhf buildd for two more years do not go against some

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-23 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 05:16:19PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > The LTS period is about to start soon and we will send out an announce > > soon... it would be nice to be able to say a word about armel/armhf, so > > an official confirmation from ftpmasters/DSA would be nice. > > So, I'm a bit

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Raphael Hertzog I am not speaking on behalf of DSA here. > The LTS period is about to start soon and we will send out an announce > soon... it would be nice to be able to say a word about armel/armhf, so > an official confirmation from ftpmasters/DSA would be nice. So, I'm a bit divided on a

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > In the mean time, the sponsor clarified that they will join as "gold > sponsor" so they are effectively sponsoring 8 hours of work per month, > which seems to be enough to cover for the increased work that those > ports might represent. The sponsorship

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-19 Thread Floris Stoica-Marcu
Hey guys, Might be a longshot, but you could contact the Scaleway team (scaleway.com). They provide physical arm servers with (among others) Wheezy images, as well as Jessie and Sid images. I couldn't find a direct contact email, but they do have a ticketing system on their website. (or maybe som

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-18 Thread Guido Günther
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:44:43AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Guido Günther wrote: > > I assume the level of sponsorship offered is reasonable to support an > > arm port? > > Yes, I believe so. They will join as gold sponsor. > > > I still wonder how we could wo

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-18 Thread Markus Koschany
Am 18.04.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Guido Günther: [...] > I'm all for it (although it's easy to say for me since the most burden > will probably be on the kernel team) and having it as experimental with > a single sponsor seems sensible. +1 from my side too. I guess I'm one of those armel hobbyists an

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Guido Günther wrote: > I assume the level of sponsorship offered is reasonable to support an > arm port? Yes, I believe so. They will join as gold sponsor. > I still wonder how we could would make it simpler to have this > support end up at the right places (i.e. LTS get

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > armhf users to run jessie and armel users to be only hobbyists). But here > we have a sponsor willing to sign on a contract saying us « our customers wish > to use Debian 7 OS continuously so that we are planning to sponsor the LTS > efforts for

Re: Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-17 Thread Guido Günther
(trimming the cc list a bit since this is mostly a +1) On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:03:45AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hello, > > I know that we decided to not support arm* for wheezy-lts during last > Debconf but it turns out that Freexian has been contacted by a potential LTS > sponsor selli

Supporting armel/armhf in wheezy-lts

2016-04-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, I know that we decided to not support arm* for wheezy-lts during last Debconf but it turns out that Freexian has been contacted by a potential LTS sponsor selling arm* products: Openblocks A7 (armel) http://openblocks.plathome.co.jp/products/obs_a/a7/spec.html Opneblocks AX3 (armhf) http:/