Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-03-04, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are sponsors going to start recommending changing SONAMEs in an NMU next? Adding -dbg packages? Of course not, NMUs are different to typical RFS activity. of course is changing SONAMEs in a NMU appropriate if it is appropriate. Having a

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 10:57 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2008-03-04, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are sponsors going to start recommending changing SONAMEs in an NMU next? Adding -dbg packages? Of course not, NMUs are different to typical RFS activity. of course is changing

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:37 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2008-03-05, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course is changing SONAMEs in a NMU appropriate if it is appropriate. That equates to a hostile hijacking. If the package is orphaned or if No it don't. it is just bugfixing. If

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-03-05, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, fix known bugs but don't delay the RC bugs just to fix less important ones. That's perverse. Do two uploads ;) - one to now and one to delayed. All I'm saying here is that sponsors should not expect NMUs to fix the full range of

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Bas Wijnen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 01:34:39PM +, Neil Williams wrote: On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:37 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2008-03-05, Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course is changing SONAMEs in a NMU appropriate if it is appropriate. That equates to a hostile hijacking.

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Richard Hecker
Sune Vuorela wrote: ...snip... the maintainer is MIA and the package can be orphaned beforehand, fine (but then it's no longer an NMU, it's a QA upload). Changing a SONAME is *not* acceptable in an NMU without permission from the maintainer. It is an especially bad idea when doing NMU's as part

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-03-05, Richard Hecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the maintainer is truly MIA, that is a bigger issue than any single bug. Others have made this argument that we should Yes. but luckily, we can do both at the same time (fixing bugs and figuring out wether a maintainer is MIA) And a

Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Neil Williams
I've been busy with other things elsewhere but some recent uploads from mentors are confusing me and potentially giving the wrong impression to those whom we mentor and sponsor, IMHO. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg2.html I hope to see you all there fixing bugs

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Neil Williams
2. Perhaps it would be better to have all of the source code changes done through dpatch or quilt. I know this is an NMU and being unobtrusive is important, but there are quite a few upstream source code changes which I think would be better off in a patch system.

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 04/03/2008, Neil Williams wrote: So why are we doing this now? This is an NMU - minimal changes scenario. Well, maybe the world isn't *that* black and white. Remember, NMUs are a way to help people fix their bugs, get their packages back into shape, etc. IANADD, etc., but I already got a

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Barry deFreese
Cyril Brulebois wrote: On 04/03/2008, Neil Williams wrote: So why are we doing this now? This is an NMU - minimal changes scenario. Well, maybe the world isn't *that* black and white. Remember, NMUs are a way to help people fix their bugs, get their packages back into shape, etc.

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Kapil Hari Paranjape
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008, Neil Williams wrote: Note: only fix bugs that are already filed to the BTS The rest of the normal NMU rules still apply: The following quote invites other fixes as well! On Sun, 02 Mar 2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 23:37 +, Neil Williams wrote: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/rcalc/rcalc_0.5.0-1.3.dsc http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rcalc/news/20080303T143226Z.html This NMU seems to introduce more changes than allowed via NMU. So I agree with Neil Williams on his

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 21:31 -0500, Barry deFreese wrote: I agree with William, I'm glad that you agree with Neil Williams. I need to watch my Ps and Qs. However, in this case voc is MIA. I don't think that Sam is MIA. So ideally I suppose what I should do is orphan the package and

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 23:37 +, Neil Williams wrote: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/rcalc/rcalc_0.5.0-1.3.dsc http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rcalc/news/20080303T143226Z.html This NMU seems to

Re: Requests for sponsors to upload NMUs

2008-03-04 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 14:57 +0900, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 23:37 +, Neil Williams wrote: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/r/rcalc/rcalc_0.5.0-1.3.dsc