Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Giovanni Mascellani
Hi all! I'm making a Debian package which already exists in Ubuntu. I'd like to take advantage of the efforts already done by the Ubuntu maintainers and modify the Ubuntu package instead of create a completely new one. Is there somewhat like a policy, best practises or similar about doing this? I

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Giovanni Mascellani
All'incirca Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:23:54 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sembrerebbe aver scritto: > You just need to make the package accomplish the Debian policy, that's > all you need to do. Thank you, but I'm still not confident about how to deal with debian/copyright and d

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > Hi all! > I'm making a Debian package which already exists in Ubuntu. I'd like to > take advantage of the efforts already done by the Ubuntu maintainers > and modify the Ubuntu package instead of create a completely new one. > > Is there somewhat like a policy, best pr

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Nov 22, 2007 2:57 PM, Giovanni Mascellani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there somewhat like a policy, best practises or similar about doing > this? Not that I know of, but I've been asked this question before, so this is my answer: If the packaging licence allows it, you can take the package

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > All'incirca Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:23:54 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sembrerebbe aver scritto: > >> You just need to make the package accomplish the Debian policy, that's >> all you need to do. > > Thank you, but I'm still not confident about

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread James Westby
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 18:23 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > > All'incirca Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:23:54 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sembrerebbe aver scritto: > > > >> You just need to make the package accomplish the Debian policy, t

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-23 Thread Richard Laager
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 22:47 +, James Westby wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 18:23 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > > You need a new changelog for Debian starting from scratch and you could > > adapt the copyright (if the license allow it) or just make one new. > > I'm not so sure. Lik

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-24 Thread Luca Bruno
Giovanni Mascellani scrisse: > Thank you, but I'm still not confident about how to deal with > debian/copyright and debian/changelog. Should I delete them and > rewrite like as I were making a new package, or should I just modify > them (adding a new entry in changelog and a new paragraph in copyr

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-26 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:23:50PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > You need a new changelog for Debian starting from scratch and you could > adapt the copyright (if the license allow it) or just make one new. Why? Thats IMHO a very bad way to do it. 1) changelog is to track was has been

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-26 Thread L. Redrejo
El lun, 26-11-2007 a las 16:30 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld escribió: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:23:50PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > > You need a new changelog for Debian starting from scratch and you could > > adapt the copyright (if the license allow it) or just make one new. > > Wh

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-11-26 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, [no need to CC me. I never expressed the wish that I want that] On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 09:34:27PM +0100, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: > Not too long ago, about 4 years, when Ubuntu didn't exist, I tried to > upload my first package to Debian. It was a package we had been using in > LinEx

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-01 Thread C.J. Adams-Collier
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:30 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:23:50PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > > You need a new changelog for Debian starting from scratch and you could > > adapt the copyright (if the license allow it) or just make one new. > > Why? Tha

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-01 Thread Paul Bartell
On Dec 1, 2007 4:34 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:30 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 06:23:50PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > > > You need a new changelog for Debian starting from scratch and you could > > > ada

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-01 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Monday 26 November 2007 22:10:46 Patrick Schoenfeld, vous avez écrit : > > other people at Debian told me that changelog should begin when the > > package begins in Debian, no matter if it had been used before somewhere > > There is no consensous about this. See the list archive for -mentors. >

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-02 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 02:04:43AM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: > However, your arguments are not much consistent as well since you mix > copyright related issues ("take the work from others") and technical issues > ("track recent changes before initial debian upload"). I don't mix arguments. Th

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-02 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
On Sunday 02 December 2007 01:34:14 you wrote: > I'd like to hear what Paul, Mirco and Cesare have to > say on this subject. Not being a Debian maintainer myself, I don't really feel entitled to say what you should do or not do about the changelog. Pragmatically, if the Ubuntu history is relevan

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-03 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2007/12/2, Patrick Schoenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1) Copyright / license issues: By removing important information from > the previous packaging you might insult the packaging license. > Redistribution in Debian might therefore be illegal. While I do believe that, as a general rule, it's much

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-04 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi Miriam, On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:35:31PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > While I do believe that, as a general rule, it's much better to keep > old changelog entries, I'm pretty sure it's not illegal at all > toremove them (IANAL) as long as you keep the copyright statements. It > might not be po

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-04 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:35:31PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > 2007/12/2, Patrick Schoenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > 1) Copyright / license issues: By removing important information from > > the previous packaging you might insult the packaging license. > > Redistribution in Debian might theref

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-04 Thread C.J. Adams-Collier
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 15:17 +0100, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: > On Sunday 02 December 2007 01:34:14 you wrote: > > > I'd like to hear what Paul, Mirco and Cesare have to > > say on this subject. > > Not being a Debian maintainer myself, I don't really feel entitled to say > what > you should do or

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-05 Thread Cesare Tirabassi
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 04:27:28 C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > Thank you for taking the time to respond Cesare, No problem at all. > I asked for your input not for your association with a particular group, > but because of your first-hand experience with the subject matter. OK, it would hav

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-08 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:16:12PM -0800, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > I'm sorry, what is an "SRU"? with Google the first hit I found by earching for "SRU+Ubuntu" was [1], so I think this are updates to a "stable" Ubuntu release. Best Regards, Patrick [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableRelea

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:42:56PM +0100, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: > On Wednesday 05 December 2007 04:27:28 C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > > Do you feel that it is appropriate to copy someone else's changelog > > entry verbatim without giving credit to the original author? > > I guess you refer to mon

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-07 Thread C.J. Adams-Collier
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 13:42 +0100, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: > On Wednesday 05 December 2007 04:27:28 C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > > > Thank you for taking the time to respond Cesare, > > No problem at all. > > > I asked for your input not for your association with a particular group, > > but bec

Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging

2007-12-09 Thread C.J. Adams-Collier
On Dec 8, 2007 4:47 AM, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:42:56PM +0100, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 December 2007 04:27:28 C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > > > Do you feel that it is appropriate to copy someone else's changelog > > > entry verbatim wi

communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-02 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 02 December 2007 13:19, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > Thats bad. You should not answer to such questions if you don't know it > > > for your self! Thats especially true because of your DD status that > > > causes others to give your saying more confidence. > > > > Please, try to ke

Re: communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-03 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:08:54PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sunday 02 December 2007 13:19, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > Really, it may have sounded more rude to you, then it was meant to be. > > But I was really annoyed by such a statement, > > That rather implies you were unfriendl

Re: communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:08:54PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Sunday 02 December 2007 13:19, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > > Thats bad. You should not answer to such questions if you don't know it > > > > for your self! Thats especially true because of your DD status that > > > > c

Re: communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-04 Thread Ondrej Certik
> > > Really, it may have sounded more rude to you, then it was meant to be. > > > > But I was really annoyed by such a statement, > > > > That rather implies you were unfriendly, at least I'm often (too) > > unfriendly, > > Misusing "then" an

Re: communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-05 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:46:49AM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > > > Really, it may have sounded more rude to you, then it was meant to be. > > > > > > But I was really annoyed by such a statement, > > > > > > That rather implies you wer

Re: communication, friendlyness, DDs (Re: Ubuntu-to-Debian packaging)

2007-12-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 09:11:00AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:46:49AM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > > > > Really, it may have sounded more rude to you, then it was meant to be. > > > > > > > > But I was real