Re: Policy as rule of law, or whatever

1998-05-20 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
Bob Hilliard wrote: > I can not find this documented anywhere, but I have always > understood that policy was supposed to be the represent a consensus of > the developer's views after discussion on debian-devel. Once the > constitution is adopted, I believe the Technical Committee should pass

Re: Policy as rule of law, or whatever

1998-05-20 Thread Bob Hilliard
I can not find this documented anywhere, but I have always understood that policy was supposed to be the represent a consensus of the developer's views after discussion on debian-devel. Once the constitution is adopted, I believe the Technical Committee should pass on new mandatory policy ite

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Mark Baker
I think it's important to consider the case of more complicated programs such as mailers. Obviously as the maintainer of exim I have an interest in this. There's no way to automatically generate configuration files that will work on all systems; the best I can hope for really is 90%. Therefore sto

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I just install one package, it's ok that a lot of output is > produced, and maybe some questions are asked. But when I upgrade > a batch of packages or install a new system, it's not an optimal > solution. This doesn't scale to multiple machines. If

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I don't know if this would be possible, but it would be very impressive if we could (optionally) re-run the appropriate scripts when a value changed. For instance if "hostname" or "IP-address" changed, we could re-run all the postinst scripts that needed them. Probably too difficult and full of p

Need a policy for /etc/rc?.d/[SK]* ordering?

1998-05-20 Thread Stephen Zander
Hi, During a discussion on -devel between Joey Schulze, Miquel van Smoorenburg and myself on the difficulties of adding new shutdown scripts to /etc/rc0.d, I suggested (slightly jokingly) that debian may need a policy of number ranges within the startup/shutdown script sequence managed by update-

What is Policy? (was: Policy as rule of law, or whatever)

1998-05-20 Thread Nils Lohner
This is an issue I have seen discussed in many different settings... in business, organizations, or anything else that needs policies or laws. The basic question that needs to be kept in mind and answered is: What is a policy, and what is it intended to do? What it's intended to do is the

Re: Policy as rule of law, or whatever

1998-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Hamish Moffatt writes ("Re: Policy as rule of law, or whatever"): > On Tue, May 19, 1998 at 01:11:31PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think my main problem with the `pro-strong-policy' arguments that > > I've been seeing here is that they seem to imply an assumption that > > policy is by definitio

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Andreas Degert
Hi, wouldn't it be better to not ask any question at all as part of the core installation process? Sorry, this mail is long, I hope this hasn't been covered extensively before (please supply pointers). If I just install one package, it's ok that a lot of output is produced, and maybe some questio

Re: Possible dpkg database changes (was Re: Undeclared dependencies on menu)

1998-05-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jules Bean wrote: > --On Mon, May 18, 1998 8:25 pm +0200 "Remco Blaakmeer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Joey Hess wrote: > > > >> Hundreds of packages use menu. The calls to menu are guarded by a test to > >> see if menu is installed: > >> > >> i

Re: Policy as rule of law, or whatever

1998-05-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 19, 1998 at 01:11:31PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think my main problem with the `pro-strong-policy' arguments that > I've been seeing here is that they seem to imply an assumption that > policy is by definition correct, and that any point where it wasn't > the relevant policy docume

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Oliver Elphick writes ("Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts "): ... > Are there any scripts that actually build their questions? Oh, and look at things like smailconfig. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Oliver Elphick writes ("Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts "): ... > Are there any scripts that actually build their questions? Isn't it > usually (always?) the case that the question is in the script as a text > string, though the logic may skip it? Where para

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
(Crosspost to debian-devel removed.) Raul Miller writes ("Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts"): > Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. Only a particular package can determine which questions need to be > > asked in what order; in particular, following q

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Oliver Elphick
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: [comments on use of ASN.1 notation for this purpose] >Some things we should look at, > - Free ASN.1 parsers/libraries, I think one is around > - What fields can be borrowed from SNMP and what more do we need? > - Consider how we would model some of the existing set

Re: Proposal: Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts

1998-05-20 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote: > Well, having looked at COAS, it seems not to dictate any particular data > format; it has to cope with a large number of independently developed > packages, each with its own format. To add a new one means writing a > module which plugs into COAS to