Different reply operations (was: Silently breaking on upgrade)

2009-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
The Wanderer writes: > (Also, unrelated: the Debian mailing list etiquette page says not to > CC someone on a post to the list unless specifically requested. Right, thanks for taking notice of that. > However, hitting Reply on a list message populates the To field only > with the previous poste

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: >> >> > Well I will do that, but first, I like to be remembered why the old >> > policy-process document has been removed. >> >> W

Bug#549910: debian-policy: Specify requirement in terms of upgradeability, interface stability

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphaƫl Hertzog writes: > We have some unwritten packaging rules and it would be good to write > them down even if some of them appear to be obvious to most of us. I > think in particular to stuff like: > - a package must at least be upgradable from one stable release to the next: > - transiti

Re: Bug#549910: debian-policy: Specify requirement in terms of upgradeability, interface stability

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava writes: > On Wed, Oct 07 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> BTW I find no reference in policy about the NEWS.Debian file. It would >> nice to require to document (at last for one stable release) all (also >> user visibe API/ABI) incompatibilities in such files. > It is

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava writes: > I suggest, then, that we follow POSIX (please note that @reboot > and @daily and other such convenient contractions are not mentioned in > the standard, though cron(1) supports them): >http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/crontab.html

Re: [PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Manoj Srivastava writes: > @@ -2739,13 +2744,14 @@ Package: libc6 > In the main debian/control file in the source > package, this field may contain the special value > any, the special value all, or a list of > - architectures separated by spaces. If any or

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Well I will do that, but first, I like to be remembered why the old > > policy-process document has been removed. > > Well, because it had become obsolete at the time it w

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:23:29AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: >> >> > Manoj Srivastava writes: >> > >> >> But someone really should be writing this up, since the bug >> >> report was, in my opin

Processed: tagging 392479

2009-10-13 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > tags 392479 + wontfix Bug #392479 [debian-policy] Request for virtual package ircd Ignoring request to alter tags of bug #392479 to the same tags previously set > End of message, stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance.

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > The e16keyedit package used to depend on (or, rather, recommend) the > enlightenment package. It now recommends on the e16 package. The > enlightenment package has been removed from Debian, with the > justification that it has been replaced by the e16 package. > The enligh

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: Requirements: 1) Be able to run a batch job periodically, as defined in the POSIX standards document. 2) Correct execution of /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}, as long as the files are conforming to POSIX standar

Bug#545548: [14a9406] Fix for Bug#545548 committed to git

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tags 545548 +pending thanks Hi, The following change has been committed for this bug by Manoj Srivastava on Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:05:18 -0500. The fix will be in the next upload. = [master]: Added changelog for bug 545

Processed: [14a9406] Fix for Bug#545548 committed to git

2009-10-13 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > tags 545548 +pending Bug #545548 [debian-policy] debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess Added tag(s) pending. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. De

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:23:29AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Manoj Srivastava writes: > > > >> But someone really should be writing this up, since the bug > >> report was, in my opinion, on point: this stuff needs to be written up, >

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 11:38 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, The Wanderer wrote: That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does > seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable > situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to > confirm that it was

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> But someone really should be writing this up, since the bug >> report was, in my opinion, on point: this stuff needs to be written up, >> and I think that the wiki stuff is already not as good as the README is >>

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, The Wanderer wrote: > That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does > seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable > situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to > confirm that it was in fact 'officially'

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 09:47 AM, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: The question itself, in its starkest form, is simple. Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of anot

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 11:19 AM, The Wanderer wrote: (Also, unrelated: the Debian mailing list etiquette page says not to CC someone on a post to the list unless specifically requested. However, hitting Reply on a list message populates the To field only with the previous poster's own address, and hittin

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 09:50 AM, sean finney wrote: hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another package to silently break the system? what de

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > The question itself, in its starkest form, is simple. > Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a > package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another > package to silently break the system

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread sean finney
hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a > package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another > package to silently break the system? what defines "silently break the system"? that's

Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
I am not certain that this is the correct list for this question; it is a question about Debian's policy, but I am not certain that it is about the type of policy which is covered by the debian-policy manual and thus the type which is to be discussed here. I have not been able to find a formal st