Re: does /var/games have to be deleted on purge? (if it's empty..)

2010-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
at of a game which is different still from a clock program. Can we be certain that the distribution is best served by a one size fits all policy here? manoj -- Virginia law forbids bathtubs in the house; tubs must be kept in the yard. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/>

Re: use README.source to describe whether committing to VCS is desired

2009-12-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
sed in exactly the same way: by building binary packages from them. > :) I think the intention is more specifically to document anything > unusual about maintaining the package that others need to be aware of. As I have been only superficially been following this, I am un

[PATCH 1/1] Use the "Half-Configured" state instead of the synonymous "Failed-Config"

2009-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
soe cases. This patch ensures that policy uses the same term as dpkg does when talking to the user ("Half-Configured") for consistency. Also, made the spelling of internal states consistent: "Half-Configured", not: Half Configured, half configured, or half-configured. S

Re: [PATCH 1/1] [bug556972-srivasta]: Explicitly allow /selinux and /sys as FHS exceptions

2009-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Nov 22 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:33:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi folks, > >> The report #556972 was filed about a FHS violation in mounting >> selinuxfs on /selinux, which is accurate. Additionally, /sys does n

Re: [PATCH 1/1] [bug556972-srivasta]: Explicitly allow /selinux and /sys as FHS exceptions

2009-11-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Nov 21 2009, Kees Cook wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:33:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The report #556972 was filed about a FHS violation in mounting >> selinuxfs on /selinux, which is accurate. Additionally, /sys does not >> ap

[PATCH 1/1] New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-11-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} Signed-off-by: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.sgml| 39 +-- virtual-package-names-list.txt |4 2 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a

[PATCH 1/1] Use the "Failed-Config" state instead of the synonymous halfconfigured

2009-11-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ned-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.sgml | 10 +- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml index 042e82f..8bfd563 100644 --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -4417,12 +4417,12 @@ Build-Depends: foo [!i386] | bar [!amd64]

Bug#555009: debian-policy: alt. changelog formats are still advertised

2009-11-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
policy proper? manoj -- "Money is the root of all money." the moving finger Manoj Srivastava <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org w

[PATCH 1/1] [bug556972-srivasta]: Explicitly allow /selinux and /sys as FHS exceptions

2009-11-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.sgml |9 + 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml index 34a45d5..b8b97f4 100644 --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -5638,6 +5638,15 @@ libbar 1 bar1 (>= 1.0-1) symlin

Re: Difficulty rebuilding text files with org-mode

2009-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
dity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein : Understanding the world Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#556015: debian-policy: Clarify requirements for copyright file

2009-11-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
place. + -- QOTD: Talent does what it can, genius what it must. I do what I get paid to do. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpKl37bEBq8N.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#552690: mknod-in-maintainer-script postinst:39

2009-11-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Nov 12 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: >> On Thu, Oct 29 2009, Simon Horman wrote: > >>> Could you suggest a policy-compliant method of creating fifos for the >>> package? At the time that I added mknod to the maintainer script the &

Bug#553576: Policy should not encourage violation of the FHS

2009-11-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.3.0 Severity: important Hi, Debian packages should not install files under /var/www. This is not one of the /var directories in the File Hierarchy Standard and is under the control of the local administrator. Packages should not assume that it is the

Re: Bug#553420: debian-policy: Please clarify what is the interface for building binary packages.

2009-10-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
that the #! line), it follows that how the file is invoked should not change the behaviour of the build system. The clarifying language above was proposed by Ben Finney, and has been seconded by Manoj Srivastava. manoj -- I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. Joe

Re: Bug#552690: mknod-in-maintainer-script postinst:39

2009-10-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
od, since there is no policy prohibition on mkfifo (and it can't be used to make special files). Perhaps we can add a footnote to policy mentioning mkfifo where the mknod prohibition is written? manoj -- Microwaves frizz your heir. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~s

Re: Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nyway, I am done addressing this red herring, shiny thought it be. manoj -- [Crash programs] fail because they are based on the theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month. -- Wernher von Braun Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C pri

Re: Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:21:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote: >> > Why are they not able to ignore the errors from telinit? All checked >> > packages uses this to ask init to re

Re: Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I created a elaborate test case tos ee if we are in a chroot, if >> not if /proc/1 is actually /sbin/init, and that telinit exists (example >> below).

Re: Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 26 2009, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:56AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > I created a elaborate test case tos ee if we are in a chroot, if >> > not if /pr

Re: Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Oct 23 2009, brian m. carlson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:43:18PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> if [ -x /sbin/init ] && [ -d /proc/1 ] && >> [ "$(stat -c %d/%i /sbin/init)" = "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/exe >> 2>/dev/

Bug#545691: diverting telinit

2009-10-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
(telinit u ; sleep 1) else (init u ; sleep 1) fi fi fi fi -- Whether in the village or the forest, whether on high ground or low, wherever the enlightened live, that is a delightful spot. 98 Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta

Re: Informative addendum to policy clarifying dpkg/maintainer script interface

2009-10-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Oct 21 2009, Frank Küster wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have created a document to clarify the interaction between >> maintainer scripts and dpkg, and examines the state changes for a >> package when a user interacts with

Re: minor edits

2009-10-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
removed from policy. I have pushed out the changes to the public git repo as well. manoj -- MAC user's dynamic debugging list evaluator? Never heard of that. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21B

Re: Informative addendum to policy clarifying dpkg/maintainer script interface

2009-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 19 2009, Patrick Matthäi wrote: > Manoj Srivastava schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> I have created a document to clarify the interaction between >> maintainer scripts and dpkg, and examines the state changes for a >> package when a user interacts with

Informative addendum to policy clarifying dpkg/maintainer script interface

2009-10-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
.html Thanks in advance, manoj -- Today is a good day to bribe a high-ranking public official. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debi

Re: Maintainer script informative call graph

2009-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Oct 16 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Please have a look-see at: >> http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/MaintainerScripts.html >> >> I'm attaching the source below. I think I am going to conti

Maintainer script informative call graph

2009-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
an out of steam tonight. I am proposing adding this to the policy package, once it gets polished a bit more, and checked for correctness. manoj #+STARTUP: hidestars showall #+TITLE: Maintainer scripts #+AUTHOR:Manoj Srivastava #+EMAIL: sriva...@debian.org #+DATE:

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: >> >> > Well I will do that, but first, I like to be remembered why the old >> > policy-

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 13 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:23:29AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: >> >> > Manoj Srivastava writes: >> > >> >> But someone really should be writing th

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
d in a normative section of policy? Or can we just vaguely hand wave the reader over to POSIX? Or add this as an informative footnote? manoj -- Use what talents you possess: the woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best. -- Henry Van Dyke Mano

Bug#545548: [14a9406] Fix for Bug#545548 committed to git

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tags 545548 +pending thanks Hi, The following change has been committed for this bug by Manoj Srivastava on Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:05:18 -0500. The fix will be in the next upload. = [master]: Added changelog for bug

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Oct 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> But someone really should be writing this up, since the bug >> report was, in my opinion, on point: this stuff needs to be written up, >> and I think that the wiki stuff is already not

Re: Bug#549910: debian-policy: Specify requirement in terms of upgradeability, interface stability

2009-10-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Seems to me that that indicates it belongs to the developers reference? manoj -- Behold the warranty -- the bold print giveth and the fine print taketh away. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF2

Re: Bug#549910: debian-policy: Specify requirement in terms of upgradeability, interface stability

2009-10-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Oct 07 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 06 Oct 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Do we really need to have policy to tell people not to create buggy >> packages? > > Well, there are people out there that don't know that doing such things > are bugs. I

Re: Bug#549910: debian-policy: Specify requirement in terms of upgradeability, interface stability

2009-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
uirements and bug reporting guidelines; adding these to policy would be redundant. manoj -- Bachelor: A guy who is footloose and fiancee-free. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNS

Re: Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on the naming, ans we shall have to cascade the changes to these other packages, then we might want an exception. But so far, I have not seen much evidence of any significant number of unrelated packages that would be so impacted. Thus, I would be in favour of keeping the should rule a

Re: Bug#190753: About dropping the ‘should’ recommendation to rename binary programs using a suffix to indicate their programming language.

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ical Committee has the > decision-making policies and clear statements of responsibility > required to make difficult decisions, whereas the Policy process is > much more open to interpretation. For the record, this reflects my views on this issue as well, manoj -- "

Re: [Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 03:05:42PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 12:36:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>

[Manoj Srivastava] [PATCH 2/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 12:36:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have now updated the README docs with a slightly cleaner >> work-flow. I would like to get a show of hands from the policy team >&g

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:40:02AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 01 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:43:39PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> >> Hi, the bcro

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Oct 01 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:43:39PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> Hi, the bcron-run package provides /etc/crontab, which includes > >> >> 24 4 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report >> &g

Re: Bug#547272: policy 5.6.16 - Format field: Is it really 1.5?

2009-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 05 Oct 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > and that it can be more than a version number. >> >> I assume this refers to the Format field in the .dsc file. > > Yes. > >> Since policy does not

Re: makedev is now priority extra

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 05 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 16 2009, Bdale Garbee wrote: >> >>> Bug #545309 causes me to realize that the recent lowering of priority >>> for makedev to 'extra' motivates a review and update of polic

Re: Bug#547272: policy 5.6.16 - Format field: Is it really 1.5?

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
y constraints on the Format field, and what the values the field may take. Can you expand on this, please? manoj -- "It is easier to fight for principles than to live up to them." Alfred Adler Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/B

Re: makedev is now priority extra

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ferent issue. manoj -- The Banana Principle: Heuristic devices don't tell you when to stop. --anonymous Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-r

[PATCH 3/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Arrange to regenerate derived files from org source

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
For machines without a newer Emacs, this has no effect, but if a new Emacs is present, the .txt and .html files shall be regenerated if the org file is newer. Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- Makefile |2 ++ README.html | 38 +- README.org

[PATCH 4/4] [bug545548-srivasta]: Use a less confusing merge work-flow in the README

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
While still minimizing unneeded merges between master and bug branches, this version of the document uses a less confusing command sequence. Also update the HTML page. Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- README.html | 44 README.org | 38

[PATCH 0/4] Bug#545548: Documentation updates

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
team thinks. manoj Manoj Srivastava (4): [bug545548-srivasta]: Add Documentation [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file [bug545548-srivasta]: Arrange to regenerate derived files from org source [bug545548-srivasta]: Use a less confusing merge work-flow i

Bug#518199: [7ac3ee6] Fix for Bug#518199 committed to git

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tags 518199 +pending thanks Hi, The following change has been committed for this bug by Manoj Srivastava on Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:48:09 -0500. The fix will be in the next upload. = [virtual packages]: Added virtual

[PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-10-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
special values like "all". See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530687 http://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2009/05/msg00108.html for details. Signed-off-by: Andres Mejia Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.s

Re: Bug#491318: init scripts "should" support start/stop/restart/force-reload - why not "must"?

2009-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Sep 14 2009, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Looking at the bug report, it seems like we agree that the >> current policy is correct, and the should should not be changed to a >> must? In that case, c

Re: [PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
architectures and special values like "all". See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530687 http://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2009/05/msg00108.html for details. Signed-off-by: Andres Mejia Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.s

Re: Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
r/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report >> /etc/cron.daily > > Ok, then the bcron-run package (but not the bcron package) would meet that > requirement. So. We have a criteria that would allow for anyone needing to set up a periodic cron job, and at least two packages that pr

Re: Bug#530687: [PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
space, and a later proposal coming forth with actual details of the usage, when multi-arch is further along. So, unless there are objections, I would like to see the wording changes go in now, with clarifications added as and when multi-atch solidifies. manoj -- Backed up the

Re: Bug#548867: developers-reference: Improve section about developer duties

2009-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
and that most of them seemed to come from Texas. -- Ian Fleming, "Casino Royale" Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-09-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Sep 11 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Are there any seconds to the proposal to create a virtual >> package cron-daemon? The rationale is for packages like logratate, >> which otherwise

Bug#545548: debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Sep 15 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> These series of patches add easy to edit sources for a README file, >> for documenting the Policy change process, and finally, the upgrading >> checklist. The source format is designed to

Bug#545548: [PATCH 0/3] debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
emacs23 to the build depends, and strip the generated files from the Package, I'm game either way. Three patches follow. Feedback appreciated. Manoj Srivastava (3): [bug545548-srivasta]: Add Documentation [bug545548-srivasta]: Make upgradng-checklist a real HTML file [bug545548-sri

Bug#545548: [PATCH 3/3] [bug545548-srivasta]: Arrange to regenerate derived files from org source

2009-09-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
For machines without a newer Emacs, this has no effect, but if a new Emacs is present, the .txt and .html files shall be regenerated if the org file is newer. Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- debian/rules |4 +++- 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/debian

Bug#545548: debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, So, the previous version of the checklist html was messed up; and so I have put fixed version of the file at: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/checklist.html manoj -- Maternity pay? Now every Tom, Dick and Harry will get pregnant. Malcolm Smith Manoj Srivastava <h

Bug#545548: debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Sep 12 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> Fair enough. I am including a README.txt (I also have a >> README.html from the same source, which I am not posting here, in order >> not to get distracted by font and color issues). &

Bug#545548: debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:28:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 07 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > >> > The debian-policy change process doesn't seem to be linked from >> > anywhere in the debian-pol

Bug#525843: support for encoding long descriptions using a "standard" text-based markup language

2009-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
anoj -- Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty. Plato Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#518199: debian-policy: virtual package names for doom-related packages

2009-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > The most recent version of this proposal was: > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > --- virtual-package-names-list.txt~ 2009-03-15 18:19:17.0 + > +++ virtual-packag

Re: Bug#525843: support for encoding long descriptions using a "standard" text-based markup language

2009-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Sep 11 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:43:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> We could, as an example, go by pop-con results for the >> interpreters -- that is one defensible means of selecting the language, >> I guess. >

Bug#530687: [PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-09-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Sep 11 2009, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:28:55PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Support for architecture wildcards has been added to dpkg-1.13.13. This >> patch, based on a proposal from Andres Mejia, provides policy on how >> architectur

Bug#491318: init scripts "should" support start/stop/restart/force-reload - why not "must"?

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
die young. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#391836: debian-policy: New virtual package: cron-daemon

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tion of /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} Do I hear seconds for this package? manoj -- Elevators smell different to midgets. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRI

Bug#392479: Request for virtual package ircd

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
, and would provide no benefit. Given that, I would like to close this report, without providing the virtual package, unless some Rationale is provided. manoj -- If pregnancy were a book they would cut the last two chapters. Nora Ephron, "Heartburn" Manoj Srivastava <

Bug#518199: debian-policy: virtual package names for doom-related packages

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
sed in the wild by a small group of related packages. manoj -- "Your attitude determines your attitude." Zig Ziglar, self-improvement doofus Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Bug#525843: support for encoding long descriptions using a "standard" text-based markup language

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ory access, unpredictable. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Bug#530687: [PATCH] bug530687-srivasta: Support for architecture wildcards

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
olicy/2009/05/msg00108.html for details. Signed-off-by: Andres Mejia Signed-off-by: Manoj Srivastava --- policy.sgml | 81 +++--- 1 files changed, 71 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-) diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml index 844053d..69c0

Bug#545548: debian-policy package should include a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyChangesProcess

2009-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
d I found that the policy team page has lots of information about the policy package, including the change process. How about adding: Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Policy manoj -- Slous' Contention: If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it.

Bug#545688: debian-policy: Include webapps policy in external "sub-policy" documents

2009-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ps with a wee bit of rationale, and see where we stand? manoj -- They also surf who only stand on waves. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-r

Re: Bug#542865: Grant an FHS exception for the multiarch library directories

2009-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
with /usr/local/man is relaxed to a > -- > 1.6.3.3 Seconded. This makes three seconds, I'm pushing a bug-branch out to the git repo. manoj -- A horse breeder has his young colts bottle-fed after they're three days old. He heard that a foal and his mummy are s

Re: [PATCH] Change "relayed" to "related"

2009-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Pushed in for the next policy version. (I did not bother going through the BTS for such an obvious typo fix) manoj -- What scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? J.D. Farley Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D09

Bug#470633: Explicitly say obsolete configuration files may be removed

2009-09-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
tem, which seems like a flaw. manoj -- There's no such thing as pure pleasure; some anxiety always goes with it. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Bug#544981: debian-policy: Discourage native packages that are not tightly specific to Debian

2009-09-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-->8--- > Native packages make sense when the package is pretty much only useful > for Debian (and Debian derivatives), e.g. dpkg or apt, but not for > unrelated packages. Sounds good to me. manoj -- The farther you go, the less you know. Lao Tsu, &q

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 26 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 04:25:37PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Given that devscripts, lintian, and the dev-ref >> all advocate or implement +nmu\d+, and that debhelper and cdbs look >> at the hyphen for dete

Re: Bug#542865: Grant an FHS exception for the multiarch library directories

2009-08-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. My first read was that one could not put anything that was not a library in these directories, but perhaps it should be stated explicitly. manoj -- It's like deja vu all over again. Yogi Berra Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D0

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
o make a decision between several equally viable technical choices, if it helps integration and tools. manoj -- An ignorant man ages like an ox. His flesh may increase, but not his understanding. 152 Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F27

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 19 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Additionally, >> § 5.6.21. `Files' mentions that the .dsc will contain a diff.gz if >> applicable >> § C.1.1. `dpkg-source'

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 18 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Given these, I read this as letting the tools rely on >> the following invariants, even though these are not explicitly spelled >> out in so many words in policy: >>

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 18 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Given these, I read this as letting the tools rely on >> the following invariants, even though these are not explicitly spelled >> out in so many words in policy: >>

Bug#542288: debian-policy: Version numbering: native packages, NMU's, and binary only uploads

2009-08-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
TYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL set to en_US.UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash debian-policy depends on no packages. debian-policy recommends no packages. Versions of packages debian-policy suggests: ii doc-base 0.9.3 utilities to manage online documen

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
I have not really had an installation where I spent any time in where the mount would not have been prevented by perimeter defenses and security policies. manoj -- "Help save the world!" --Larry Wall in README Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Paul Wise writes: >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Manoj Srivastava >> wrote: > >>>        I too am wondering if we should defer the polivy change until >>>  the details get shaken out with a partial deployment

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
at both ends -- tell me where to get more wax!!" Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 12 août 2009 à 08:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> > AIUI, this header is here to indicate which version of the policy the >> > package is supposed to conform to. This way, we have a way to enforce >>

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
aders ask me what a "Serial Port" is. The answer is: I don't know.Is it some kind of wine you have with breakfast? Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: What’s the use for Standards-Version?

2009-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ge, they would not know easily what they have to look for to update the package. The Standards Version gives a pointer into the upgrading checklist, and that remains useful. manoj -- Insufficient facts always invite danger. Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9 Manoj Srivas

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
should be one giant debug package (and I am not sure how many packages will need to do this because they ship duplicates anyway. manoj -- Leibowitz's Rule: When hammering a nail, you will never hit your finger if you hold the hammer with both hands. Manoj Srivastava <http://ww

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
d from the other non-debug-symbol packages, irrespective of the tools used to generate the debug symbol package. The auto-tools would still have to look into debian/control, but that is an implementation detail. manoj -- A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package. Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-policy-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: >> Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>> To recap: >>> 1) packages with detached debugging symbols should be named >>> ${package name}-${debug suffix}. As a corollary, no ord

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> OK, I guess that would work. But you still have the advantage, >> using the current debug link mechanism, of looking to see if you have >> debug symbols for a given executable

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
. Comments? manoj -- Well, it's hard for a mere man to believe that woman doesn't have equal rights. Dwight D. Eisenhower Manoj Srivastava <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 10:11 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> Except you have not indicated how you (or debhelper) is going to >> intercept ld to add the requisite arguments. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 08:24 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : >> Hmm. I see very little benefit here. Firstly, to use build id, >> you have to intercept the upstream build system and add --build-id >> (and perhaps

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2009-08-11, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Hmm. I see very little benefit here. Firstly, to use build id, >> you have to intercept the upstream build system and add --build-id >> (and perhaps the --build-id-style) option

Re: Automatic Debug Packages

2009-08-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Aug 11 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2009-08-10, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 10 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote: >> >>> On 2009-08-10, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>>> I would also add that the debug symbols should live in >>>>

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