Re: Updated root.bin makes problem on my powermac 9600..

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Bellers
there is an ongoing problem with this. my 7x00 Macs are doing the same thing. It looks like busybox is broken to the point where the root.img is unusable. I submitted a grave bug report this morning, we'll see what happens. If I were you, I would hop over to bugs.debian.org and report it as

Re: Install: force Lombard to use yaboot, not quik

2001-10-23 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
On 16/10/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Sharp) wrote: I get to the base-install stage of the install and then get stuck as the system tries to find a 'Release' or 'basedebs.tgz' file over http. I'm really stuck. use a mirror that doesn't suck giant rocks through coffee stirrers and

Re: confname.h: comma at end of enum list

2001-10-23 Thread jtv
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:13:00AM +0200, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: I have started getting this compilation warning a lot: /usr/include/bits/confname.h:565: warning: comma at end of enumerator list If I remove the offending comma, the warning dissapears. Silly, but nothing serious. The trailing

G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
I read with interest the discussion of how there will never be good DVD playback on iBooks under Linux. However, this discussion predated the iBook 2001. The new higher-end iBooks have: * a 600 MHz G3 * a 100 MHz system bus Most everything else looks to be the same as the iBook2 (same amount

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread Benny Siegert
Olaf Hering [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.10.2001 22.01 Uhr On Fri, Oct 19, Benny Siegert wrote: Okay, now I have got some boot messages, but they do not look very good :-( (see attached file). It seems the linux kernel on the boot disk does not cope very well with this machine :-((. Dont try

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread Olaf Hering
On Tue, Oct 23, Benny Siegert wrote: Olaf Hering [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.10.2001 22.01 Uhr On Fri, Oct 19, Benny Siegert wrote: Okay, now I have got some boot messages, but they do not look very good :-( (see attached file). It seems the linux kernel on the boot disk does not cope

Re: TiBook Dual Display

2001-10-23 Thread Michael Schmitz
Depends if the implementation of the two heads is done in the framebuffer device or in the X server driver. if it's done inside the x server doesn't that rule out independent multihead (one x server per head)? If it's done _only_ inside the X server you wouldn't get independent multihead.

Re: Configuring XF86conf using built-in video on 7300/200

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 00:53, john louis seguin wrote: I have a 7300/200 and am trying to get xwindows working at a reasonable resolution. Using the defaults it is displaying something like 300x400 or something ridiculous. An xterm window in gnome takes up MORE than the width of the

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 11:17, Branden Robinson wrote: I read with interest the discussion of how there will never be good DVD playback on iBooks under Linux. However, this discussion predated the iBook 2001. The new higher-end iBooks have: * a 600 MHz G3 * a 100 MHz system bus Most

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread David N. Welton
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) there is a combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW option available for it! (It completely blows my mind that this isn't an option on the TiBook.) This is definitely something that pisses me off about my tibook. I could care less about DVD's, and would much rather

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 14:25, David N. Welton wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) there is a combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW option available for it! (It completely blows my mind that this isn't an option on the TiBook.) This is definitely something that pisses me off about my

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread Tom Gall
German Poo Caaman~o wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote: Olaf Hering wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, Benny Siegert wrote: Dont try to run 2.2 on non-IBM PRePs. Try http://master.penguinppc.org/~olaf/2.4.12/zImage.prep or

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread German Poo Caaman~o
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Tom Gall wrote: German Poo Caaman~o wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote: Olaf Hering wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, Benny Siegert wrote: Dont try to run 2.2 on non-IBM PRePs. Try http://master.penguinppc.org/~olaf/2.4.12/zImage.prep or

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote: Package: util-linux Version: 2.11l-1 Severity: important On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program clock should be used from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock actually hangs

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread John Goerzen
Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a proper /dev/rtc driver. We should be using hwclock. Clock is an awful ADB-bit-bashing hack that needs to

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third MD of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the software seems to be MD improving rather quickly in this area, the new iBooks might soon be well MD enough for smooth DVD playback.

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Laurent de Segur wrote: LdS I just got a new iBook 2001 600MHz+COMBO-DVD/CDRW+256MB. It LdS plays DVDs both under macos9 and running debian using the vlc LdS package without any problem at all. The previous one had many LdS troubles even playing simple MP3 due to 66MHz bus

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 19:40, Henrik Edlund wrote: On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third MD of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the software seems to be MD improving rather quickly in this area, the new iBooks

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 20:03, Henrik Edlund wrote: On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD Which is always the case in MacOS because it uses the graphics MD chip's iDCT and motion compensation capabilities, which we can't MD for lack of documentation. Ugh. Closed hardware should be

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD Which is always the case in MacOS because it uses the graphics MD chip's iDCT and motion compensation capabilities, which we can't MD for lack of documentation. Ugh. Closed hardware should be illegal. -- Henrik Edlund [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Brian Hicks
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:40:08PM +0200, Henrik Edlund wrote: On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third MD of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the software seems to be MD improving rather quickly in this area,

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 17:32, Laurent de Segur wrote: I just got a new iBook 2001 600MHz+COMBO-DVD/CDRW+256MB. It plays DVDs both under macos9 and running debian using the vlc package without any problem at all. That's good to hear. Green light for Branden! :) The previous one had many

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD Ugh. Closed hardware should be illegal. MD MD I am confident that ATI would release documentation for those features MD if they reasonably could, considering how much they do for the MD community. Don't blame them. Well, I was blaming Apple, but anyway,

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:03:36PM +0200, Henrik Edlund wrote: On 23 Oct 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote: MD Which is always the case in MacOS because it uses the graphics MD chip's iDCT and motion compensation capabilities, which we can't MD for lack of documentation. Ugh. Closed hardware

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Nicolas Lopez
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:17:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:14:39PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the software seems to be improving rather

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:35:04PM +0200, Henrik Edlund wrote: Well, I was blaming Apple, but anyway, whos fault is it? You can never be sure. Just look at the Apple/Sorensen/QuickTime situation. You *know* one or both of the companies are lying in that situation. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:04:54PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 17:32, Laurent de Segur wrote: I just got a new iBook 2001 600MHz+COMBO-DVD/CDRW+256MB. It plays DVDs both under macos9 and running debian using the vlc package without any problem at all. That's good to

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:01:41PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: Which is always the case in MacOS because it uses the graphics chip's iDCT and motion compensation capabilities, which we can't for lack of documentation. Is: http://www.ati.com/na/pages/corporate/press/2000/4280.html a bunch of

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 23, German Poo Caaman~o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I did install SuSE for a while, but I would prefer Debian. It's not really hard to install suse, install debian in a chroot and then move it in the root over the suse installation. -- ciao, Marco

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: BR Is: BR BR http://www.ati.com/na/pages/corporate/press/2000/4280.html BR BR a bunch of hot air, then? :( February 2000. They should have had a release out by summer 2000 then. Have we seen any? 1.5 years since that press release. Otherwise it

Re: Recompile cfs for stable

2001-10-23 Thread Colin Walters
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3-8.dsc ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3.orig.tar.gz ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3-8.diff.gz A

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 21:02, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:01:41PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: Which is always the case in MacOS because it uses the graphics chip's iDCT and motion compensation capabilities, which we can't for lack of documentation. Is:

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-10-23 at 20:56, Nicolas Lopez wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:17:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:14:39PM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third of the frames are skipped or dropped.

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread James Tyson
It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the software seems to be improving rather quickly in this area, the new iBooks might soon be well enough for smooth DVD playback. Are there people actively working on

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Rick Haines
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:08:35PM -0500, Brian Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:40:08PM +0200, Henrik Edlund wrote: On 23 Oct 2001, Michel D?nzer wrote: MD It might be. On this good ol' PowerBook with a 400 Mhz G3, about a third MD of the frames are skipped or dropped. And as the

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 23, German Poo Caaman~o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not really hard to install suse, install debian in a chroot and then move it in the root over the suse installation. I agree with you but Debian's glibc is broken on CHRP64, so chroot gives segfault. You have to copy the suse libc

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:42:36PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: 'The ATI VHA Software Development Kit will be available for use by recognized software developers from March 2000 onwards through the ATI Registered Developer Program, and comprises an MPEG-2 accelerated driver and sample code for

Re: Linux on RS/6000 E20

2001-10-23 Thread German Poo Caaman~o
En mar, 2001-10-23 a 16:13, Marco d'Itri escribio: On Oct 23, German Poo Caaman~o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I did install SuSE for a while, but I would prefer Debian. It's not really hard to install suse, install debian in a chroot and then move it in the root over the suse

Re: TiBook Dual Display

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2001-10-22 at 18:03, Brad Midgley wrote: Depends if the implementation of the two heads is done in the framebuffer device or in the X server driver. if it's done inside the x server doesn't that rule out independent multihead (one x server per head)? Yes, but there are lots

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Andrew Sharp
Henrik Edlund wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Laurent de Segur wrote: LdS I just got a new iBook 2001 600MHz+COMBO-DVD/CDRW+256MB. It LdS plays DVDs both under macos9 and running debian using the vlc LdS package without any problem at all. The previous one had many LdS troubles even playing

XFree86 4.1.0 r128 driver compilation

2001-10-23 Thread David Zhou
Is there any way to _just_ compile the drivers for 4.1.0? A complete make World won't work for my mac. If not, are there places online to get binaries of the drivers? I am trying to apply a patch that's from back in June that fixes some signal 11 errors due to pci problems or something. It's mac

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread David Brown
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:16:52PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: doing. So if DVD playback is really all that important (hint: it's not) then just set your system up to be dual boot. Problem solved, geez can we move on? Please don't tell me that you want to do other things while watching your

Re: XFree86 4.1.0 r128 driver compilation

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 00:32, David Zhou wrote: Is there any way to _just_ compile the drivers for 4.1.0? A complete make World won't work for my mac. If not, are there places online to get binaries of the drivers? I am trying to apply a patch that's from back in June that fixes some signal

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Andrew Sharp
David Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:16:52PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: doing. So if DVD playback is really all that important (hint: it's not) then just set your system up to be dual boot. Problem solved, geez can we move on? Please don't tell me that you want to do other

Re: XFree86 4.1.0 r128 driver compilation

2001-10-23 Thread David Zhou
Are there any noticable speed differences between UseFBDev and the driver itself? I remember using fbdev in 4.0 with xpilot. My machine can play unreal and create images with photoshop in MacOS perfectly, but skips in xpilot. - David Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: Lightstatic On 24 Oct

Re: XFree86 4.1.0 r128 driver compilation

2001-10-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 00:49, David Zhou wrote: Are there any noticable speed differences between UseFBDev and the driver itself? Well, it's about... zero. :) It's just an option for the same driver, which has no impact on performance. I remember using fbdev in 4.0 with xpilot. My machine

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Henrik Edlund
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote: AS not) then just set your system up to be dual boot. Problem solved, AS geez can we move on? Please don't tell me that you want to do other AS things while watching your DVDs, that's just silly. If you're AS really doing something else while watching

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:42:29PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: The time it takes to compile a kernel on my x86 laptop isn't long enough to watch a scene from a movie. Heh. However, the time it takes to compile a kernel on my 200MHz 604e is long enough to watch an entire movie. On TV. With

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:37:05PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John Goerzen wrote: Package: util-linux Version: 2.11l-1 Severity: important On many PowerPC machines (maybe all?), the program clock should be used from powerpc-utils. Using hwclock actually hangs

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:40:51PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, what kernel/machine do you have hwclock causing a hang? I'm not sure off the top of my head what the status is in 2.2, but 2.4 has a proper /dev/rtc driver. We should be using

Re: XFree86 4.1.0 r128 driver compilation

2001-10-23 Thread Michael D. Crawford
Whether or not you get accelleration in the fbdev depends on whether the framebuffer driver you're using supports it, and whether you enable it as a kernel option when you boot your machine. On the x86, the VESA2 framebuffer driver is easy to set up but does not have accelleration. My compaq

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Colin Walters
Andrew Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember that these computers *come* with MacOS, which you paid for, and DVDs play fine with that. Andrew, this is not a solution.

Re: OpenGL acceleration on a rage 128 pro

2001-10-23 Thread Colin Walters
Nathan Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a Macintosh G4 (AGP) with a rage 128 pro card. I've tried to 'apt-get install xlibmesa3', but after doing this, my computer freezes when attempting to run a OpenGL program. For example, when I open glxgears, A black window pops up and the system

Re: OpenGL acceleration on a rage 128 pro

2001-10-23 Thread Nathan Conrad
I am using Linux 2.4.13-pre3-ben0, and xfree86 4.1.0-8 (from the debian package). I haven't added any patches to the kernel. I've noticed this problem with 2.4.9 and 4.0.3 also. When I boot from the 2.2r3 CD with kernel 2.2.19, the Voodoo3 display initializes, and I see 3 or 4 yaboot (or is it

Re: OpenGL acceleration on a rage 128 pro

2001-10-23 Thread Derrik Pates
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Nathan Conrad wrote: I have a Macintosh G4 (AGP) with a rage 128 pro card. I've tried to 'apt-get install xlibmesa3', but after doing this, my computer freezes when attempting to run a OpenGL program. For example, when I open glxgears, A black window pops up and the

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread Derrik Pates
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: you configured it wrong then. CONFIG_RTC=n CONFIG_PPC_RTC=y that is the correct config. yours is no doubt backwards. Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just won't even ASK about the Enhanced Real-time Clock, since

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Andrew Sharp
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:42:29PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote: The time it takes to compile a kernel on my x86 laptop isn't long enough to watch a scene from a movie. Heh. However, the time it takes to compile a kernel on my 200MHz 604e is long enough to watch an

Re: OpenGL acceleration on a rage 128 pro

2001-10-23 Thread Nathan Conrad
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Derrik Pates wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Nathan Conrad wrote: I have a Macintosh G4 (AGP) with a rage 128 pro card. I've tried to 'apt-get install xlibmesa3', but after doing this, my computer freezes when attempting to run a OpenGL program. For example, when I

Re: OpenGL acceleration on a rage 128 pro

2001-10-23 Thread Derrik Pates
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Nathan Conrad wrote: This helped it. It doesn't crash now (Although it did immediatly after restarting XFree86). glxgears runs about 5 times faster (about 250 fps). Thank you for the tip. Beware, your system may be unstable with DRI enabled at all. That's been my

Re: G3's, G4's, Altivec, DVD's, iBooks, and TiBooks

2001-10-23 Thread Andrew Sharp
Henrik Edlund wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Andrew Sharp wrote: AS not) then just set your system up to be dual boot. Problem solved, AS geez can we move on? Please don't tell me that you want to do other AS things while watching your DVDs, that's just silly. If you're AS really doing

Re: Bug#116780: util-linux: hwclock shouldn't be run

2001-10-23 Thread Tom Rini
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 08:41:45PM -0600, Derrik Pates wrote: Has anyone considered patching the kernel config scripts so that it just won't even ASK about the Enhanced Real-time Clock, since this is 100% _wrong_ for PowerPCs? It's a) ugly and b) wrong, since it does work on some PPCs. --