Re: Getting Installation Instructions for an OldWorld Machine (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-16 Thread S.D.Allen
On 2008-09-13, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 09 2008, Stephen Allen wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 07:45:21PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Congratulation on getting it working! That's great news. Thanks Rick for all your help ! Please, if you put it there, let me know where

Re: Newer cards on OldWorld machines (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-14 Thread SDA
On 2008-09-13, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12 2008, SDA wrote: Hm. I'm going to pull the Belkin USB 1.0 card I have in another G3 pizza box, and put in this one. I guess we'll see if Xorg handles it OK. I'll let you know how it goes. Please let us know how the card works.

Re: Newer cards on OldWorld machines (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-14 Thread S.D.Allen
On 2008-09-14, SDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-09-13, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12 2008, SDA wrote: Hm. I'm going to pull the Belkin USB 1.0 card I have in another G3 pizza box, and put in this one. I guess we'll see if Xorg handles it OK. I'll let you know how it

Getting Installation Instructions for an OldWorld Machine (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-13 Thread Rogério Brito
On Sep 09 2008, Stephen Allen wrote: On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 07:45:21PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Congratulation on getting it working! That's great news. Thanks Rick for all your help ! Please, if you put it there, let me know where it is. The proper way to do things would be to merge the

Newer cards on OldWorld machines (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-13 Thread Rogério Brito
On Sep 12 2008, SDA wrote: Hm. I'm going to pull the Belkin USB 1.0 card I have in another G3 pizza box, and put in this one. I guess we'll see if Xorg handles it OK. I'll let you know how it goes. Please let us know how the card works. BTW, you probably would like to add something like a

Re: Getting Installation Instructions for an OldWorld Machine (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-13 Thread SDA
On 2008-09-13, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 09 2008, Stephen Allen wrote: Please, if you put it there, let me know where it is. The proper way to do things would be to merge the proper instructions in the Debian installation manual. Um OK. I could send you the copy in plain

Re: Newer cards on OldWorld machines (was: Re: G3 Beige Tower install help)

2008-09-13 Thread SDA
On 2008-09-13, Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12 2008, SDA wrote: Hm. I'm going to pull the Belkin USB 1.0 card I have in another G3 pizza box, and put in this one. I guess we'll see if Xorg handles it OK. I'll let you know how it goes. Please let us know how the card works.

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-12 Thread SDA
On 2008-09-10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ ...] Is your card different from stock ? Hi Risto, please excuse the delay in responding. This is of interest for me, too... it reminds me... My G3 is a desktop model (233 MHz, rev B)

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-10 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/10, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 05:16:35PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: That's good news. I have tried to get xorg and gnome running on my test machine, but it seems that the video chip it has isn't very well supported. I need to open a bug report on the

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-09 Thread Nicholas Helps
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Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-09 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 09:17:55AM +0100, Nicholas Helps wrote: Hello Stephen (and everyone else), Howdy Nicholas, Being polite this time ;-) Glad the step by step worked. Please make sure you acknowledge Rick as well, without this help, I would never have gotten my install working

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-09 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Stephen Allen wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 09:17:55AM +0100, Nicholas Helps wrote: Hello Stephen (and everyone else), Howdy Nicholas, Being polite this time ;-) Glad the step by step worked. Please make sure you acknowledge Rick as well, without this

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-09 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 07:34:43PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/8, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ ...] The other IDE socket has probably the CD drive (hdc)? Maybe the spare drive has been as a slave in its earlier life? In Linux, hda/b are master/slave on primary ide bus, and

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-09 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 05:16:35PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: That's good news. I have tried to get xorg and gnome running on my test machine, but it seems that the video chip it has isn't very well supported. I need to open a bug report on the subject. I have 2 video cards in it. Back in

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/7, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK kept the MacOS partition(s). There are 7 of em put there by the MacOS 9 disk utility (6 small ones). In Apple's partitioning, the 1st partition contains the partition map, then there are typically 5 driver partitions used by Mac OS, and then the

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Nicholas Helps
Hello Stephen / all, Here is a post I put on some time ago about this (Stephen, this is the post I mentioned). There is a preamble and then the step by step that worked for me. I have added a little bit about the space you will leave for Debian on your HD. This was not in the original post.

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 12:30:42AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Stephen, You are so close, I can almost taste it all the way up here in New Jersey! Yeah we're pretty close. LOL It's too late tonite, but Monday or Tuesday, unless you succeed before then, I'll put a spare disk in one of my

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 09:29:21AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/7, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK kept the MacOS partition(s). There are 7 of em put there by the MacOS 9 disk utility (6 small ones). In Apple's partitioning, the 1st partition contains the partition map,

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/8, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's been a long time since I ever used this in production. I recall that there had been a scsi hard drive in this box, and I had removed the stock IDE hard drive shortly after purchasing. When I pulled this out of storage in my basement several

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:41:09AM +0100, Nicholas Helps wrote: Hello Stephen / all, Hi Nicholas: So, here is the way I got it to work [ ...] Excellent instructions, thanks very much Nicholas ! I'm writing this from my G3 Beige booted into Lenny-Debian using mutt. :) I'm a happy camper.

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Stephen Allen wrote: Nicolas, do you mind if I add these instructions to the Debian Wiki ? I'll be sure to give full attribution. Congratulation on getting it working! That's great news. I have a couple of things to add to Nicholas' SxS that will help

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 07:45:21PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Congratulation on getting it working! That's great news. Thanks Rick for all your help ! I have a couple of things to add to Nicholas' SxS that will help first-timers get it right the first time. Good idea ! The only one there

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-08 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Stephen Allen wrote: I thought getting XOrg running would be tricky (don't have much experience with window managers as I usually run headless with a console) but it was pretty easy to get it configured. I just had to run 'dpkg-reconfigure Xorg' make some

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-07 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/7, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The install is where I had the issue(s), of going through the steps and hanging when it came to installing the quik bootloader. I don't understand why it's install quick as I thought that BootX would be used. You should try to skip the quik

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-07 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 10:42:36AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/7, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ ...] In terms of the disk partioning. Is the MacOS partition supposed to be overwritten and that's why the installer wants to install Quik ? I can't seem to find an option to

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-07 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 10:42:36AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/7, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The install is where I had the issue(s), of going through the steps and hanging when it came to installing the quik bootloader. I don't understand why it's install quick as I

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-07 Thread Rick Thomas
Stephen, You are so close, I can almost taste it all the way up here in New Jersey! It's too late tonite, but Monday or Tuesday, unless you succeed before then, I'll put a spare disk in one of my Beige G3s and walk myself thru the steps, writing down each step as I do it. If that

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-06 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/4, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (4) Run BootX application (alternatively install BootX extension, and reboot). OK I did this, got a shell and then a kernel panic, and a reboot message for 3 minutes. Probably because of the kernel being in the wrong place eh ? I don't think so.

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-06 Thread James Kozak
hi reading this email again makes me wonder if this step has been omitted: Insert the PPC install disk and navigate to the /install/powerpc folder. Copy vmlinux (the linux kernel) to System Folder/Linux Kernels. Copy initrd.gz (the init ramdisk image) to System Folder and rename it to

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-06 Thread risto . suominen
2008/9/6, James Kozak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi reading this email again makes me wonder if this step has been omitted: Insert the PPC install disk and navigate to the /install/powerpc folder. Copy vmlinux (the linux kernel) to System Folder/Linux Kernels. Copy initrd.gz (the init ramdisk

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-06 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 12:04:09AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/6, James Kozak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi reading this email again makes me wonder if this step has been omitted: Insert the PPC install disk and navigate to the /install/powerpc folder. Copy vmlinux (the linux

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-06 Thread brian
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of the disk partioning. Is the MacOS partition supposed to be overwritten and that's why the installer wants to install Quik ? I can't seem to find an option to toggle Quik off. -- I believe it is possible to

G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
Greetings: I've been attempting to get Debian-PPC installed on this machine for several days now, without much luck. I've searched for an install 'how-to' and settled on the G3-Beige how to on the Debian Wiki. There is a lot of conflicting advice on installing on these old world machines in

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread José JORGE
A Wednesday 3 September 2008 14:22:01, Stephen Allen escreveu: I've searched for an install 'how-to' and settled on the G3-Beige how to on the Debian Wiki. There is a lot of conflicting advice on installing on these old world machines in the wild, and it's quite confusing. Some say not to use

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Brad Boyer
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:28:38PM +0200, José JORGE wrote: A Wednesday 3 September 2008 14:22:01, Stephen Allen escreveu: I've searched for an install 'how-to' and settled on the G3-Beige how to on the Debian Wiki. There is a lot of conflicting advice on installing on these old world

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:54:47AM -0700, Brad Boyer wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:28:38PM +0200, Jos? JORGE wrote: As far as I know, G3 is not oldworld. The earliest G3 systems were oldworld. In particular, the beige PowerMac G3 desktop systems and the first few models of PowerBook

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 08:28:38PM +0200, Jos? JORGE wrote: A Wednesday 3 September 2008 14:22:01, Stephen Allen escreveu: I've searched for an install 'how-to' and settled on the G3-Beige how to on the Debian Wiki. There is a lot of conflicting advice on installing on these old world

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Simon Vallet
Hi Stephen, On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:22:01 + Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would appreciate if the experts here could help me out -- Here's what I've tried so far; Using the Debian-Etch-PPC net install CD, I booted up with my MacOS 9 CD. However when booted with

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Rick Thomas
Stephen, I used to do quite a lot of this kind of stuff. Search the debian-powerpc and debian-boot archives for my name (rbthomas) and Boot-X. I posted (about Sarge timeframe) several how-to articles on using MacOS-9 and Boot-X to install Debian on a beige-G3-tower. It does not require

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread risto . suominen
Hi Stephen, In your place, I would take the following route: In OS 9: (1) download BootX from http://penguinppc.org/historical/benh/BootX_1.2.2.sit, and install it, (2) download Debian kernel and initrd from

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:54:21PM +0200, Simon Vallet wrote: Hi Stephen, Hey Simon, thanks for the help. On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:22:01 + Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ...] I don't have a Linux workstation available to make boot floppies; Can these boot floppies be made

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:12:27PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: Stephen, I used to do quite a lot of this kind of stuff. Search the debian-powerpc and debian-boot archives for my name (rbthomas) and Boot-X. I posted (about Sarge timeframe) several how-to articles on using MacOS-9 and

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 12:32:43AM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stephen, Hi Risto: In your place, I would take the following route: In OS 9: (1) download BootX from http://penguinppc.org/historical/benh/BootX_1.2.2.sit, and install it, (2) download Debian kernel and initrd

Re: G3 Beige Tower install help

2008-09-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Stephen Allen wrote: Thanks Rick, I'll take a look. It is indeed somewhat fun. My wife thinks I'm nuts, but I agree -- it's fun getting old obscure hardware to do new tricks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.