On 03/23/23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
you have fallen as have the very software communities you
quote into the trap of assuming "desktop [and HPC]" === "ALL
software worldwide".
unfortunately it is not, and the loss of BE support because
"why would desktop need it??" illustrates
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 06:30:53PM +0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 03:10:55PM +0100, Private Power9 Hardware Donation
> wrote:
>> I personally gave up my similar idea of using my Raptor Blackbird
>> Power9 as full desktop replacement (...)
>> A quite comprehensive
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 03:10:55PM +0100, Private Power9 Hardware Donation
wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 00:16 +0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
>> Would a Power-based machine in general, and a Raptor Blackbird in
>> particular, be a good freedom-respecting computer to run a Debian
>> desktop?
On Thursday, March 23, 2023, Linux User #330250
wrote:
> I also see BE disappearing from lots and lots of software. My assumption
> is that it simply isn't viable anymore, as most users and developers
> have moved on.
except in Japan, India, China, and anywhere else in the world
where the main
Le 23/03/2023 à 00:43, Riccardo Mottola a écrit :
Hi,
Didier Kryn wrote:
Another concern is that a software which does run only on one single
endianness proves to be buggy and loosely written. High level software
such as Firefox should be independant of such considerations, exactly as
it
On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 00:16 +0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Would a Power-based machine in general, and a Raptor Blackbird in
> particular, be a good freedom-respecting computer to run a Debian
> desktop?
I personally gave up my similar idea of using my Raptor Blackbird Power9 as full
desktop
On Thu, 2023-03-23 at 10:41 +0100, Linux User #330250 wrote:
> I also see BE disappearing from lots and lots of software. My assumption
> is that it simply isn't viable anymore, as most users and developers
> have moved on. Even IBM moved on, POWER now is LE. So, I guess, most
> developers don't
On 03/23/23 Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Just look at TenFourFox and the various bug reports and patches Cameron
proposed to mozilla which sometimes got accepted, sometimes ignored.
Most noticeably SKIA noit being interested in BE at all, as well as
issues with Cairo.
I am working on the ArcticFox
Hi,
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Another concern is that a software which does run only on one single
> endianness proves to be buggy and loosely written. High level software
> such as Firefox should be independant of such considerations, exactly as
> it should not rely on internal details of the
Hi,
Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Thanks for the link, interesting and I didn't know about this one
> indeed. Beyond "not available this year", I see the one-but least FAQ
> https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/faq/
> says that it won't run a "modern distro" in little-endian mode, as
> "although it
On 03/22/23 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
thus we (RED, Libre-SOC) are "on the clock" with a limited
window of opportunity to stop that from happening.
You mean devs dropping certain architectures?
IMHO when there are no systems in numbers on the market, support is
going to be like
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023, Linux User #330250
wrote:
> On the other hand, I don't really see performant and cheap (for desktop
> systems) systems on the market that aren't mainstream x86 (Intel and
> AMD). Letting those now older alternatives go (that were mostly servers
> to begin with) is
On 03/22/23 Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
I was looking at those projects in the past, but there are two problems:
1. They are way too expensive in terms of a performance to price ratio.
2. They are getting way too less support to make that extra investment
worthwhile.
you just neatly
On 03/22/23 Paul Wise wrote:
I was under the impression that POWER CPUs do *both* BE and LE at the
same time, with each process able to start in either BE or LE mode.
Perhaps thats a feature of IBM POWER CPUs and not NXP ones though?
I only know that POWER started to be LE since the POWER8.
Thanks for the answer!
On 03/21/23 Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
Would a live BE<->LE translation be so different?
I thin so, yes.
So it would seem. I get it now, it would have a very deep impact on
performance.
I'd rather have a slower but working emulated LE system than a in
theory faster
On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 13:37 +0100, Linux User #330250 wrote:
> One thing though, and maybe someone can clarify for me: Why is it
> software-wise not possible to emulate an LE system on top of a BE
> system? The (Linux) kernel should be able to emulate being LE on BE
> hardware, shouldn't it?
I
On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 07:35 +0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> And Debian's only 64 bit Power port seems to be... little endian? Big
> endian is not even listed on https://www.debian.org/ports/ as being in
> progress, it is not there at all.
There is an unofficial 64-bit big-endian port called
---
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:32 PM Linux User #330250
wrote:
> I was looking at those projects in the past, but there are two problems:
> 1. They are way too expensive in terms of a performance to price ratio.
> 2. They
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 01:37:46PM +0100, Linux User #330250 wrote:
> Lionel Élie Mamane wrote on 03/21/23:
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 02:43:44AM +, Edward Robbins wrote:
>>> this project is making slow but steady progress. Looks like it
>>> may be crazy expensive in the end though
>>>
Le 21/03/2023 à 13:37, Linux User #330250 a écrit :
Lionel Élie Mamane wrote on 03/21/23:
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 02:43:44AM +, Edward Robbins wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 23:36, Lionel Élie Mamane
wrote:
No candidate laptops I presume?
There is perhaps some day, this project is
Lionel Élie Mamane wrote on 03/21/23:
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 02:43:44AM +, Edward Robbins wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 23:36, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
No candidate laptops I presume?
There is perhaps some day, this project is making slow but steady
progress. Looks like it may be
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 02:43:44AM +, Edward Robbins wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 23:36, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
>> No candidate laptops I presume?
> There is perhaps some day, this project is making slow but steady
> progress. Looks like it may be crazy expensive in the end though
>
On Tue, 2023-03-21 at 00:16 +0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Would a Power-based machine in general, and a Raptor Blackbird in
> particular, be a good freedom-respecting computer to run a Debian
> desktop?
RaptorCS devices in particular are quite good apparently. Other POWER
devices are likely
Hi Lionel,
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 23:36, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
>
> No candidate laptops I presume?
>
There is perhaps some day, this project is making slow but steady progress.
Looks like it may be crazy expensive in the end though
https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/
Best,
Ed
>
>
Would a Power-based machine in general, and a Raptor Blackbird in
particular, be a good freedom-respecting computer to run a Debian
desktop?
Or will I have "many" problems like the one described in
https://www.talospace.com/2023/02/firefox-110-on-power.html
that Firefox WebRTC doesn't work on
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