Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Nathanael Hasbrouck
> It it fails, I will format my internal IDE disk using Apple's Drive setup (it now contains Debain, but I want to repartition it anyway), and try booting from there. I don't have a README or INSTALL file, so am I correct in the above steps to take, or do I miss anything? There's a bunch

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Chris Tillman
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 04:02:36PM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: > Hi Chris and Sven, > > >>> I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did > >>> not > >>> have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do some > >>> testing this weekend, even if it rend

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 04:02:36PM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: > Hi Chris and Sven, > > >>> I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did > >>> not > >>> have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do some > >>> testing this weekend, even if it rend

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Freek Dijkstra
Hi Chris and Sven, >>> I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did not >>> have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do some >>> testing this weekend, even if it renders my openfirmware settings obsolete. >>> [...] >> >> It maybe too early, we ha

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Chris Tillman
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:07:19PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:26:24PM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: > > Hi Sven, > > > > I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did not > > have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do so

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:26:24PM +0200, Freek Dijkstra wrote: > Hi Sven, > > I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did not > have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do some > testing this weekend, even if it renders my openfirmware settings

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-24 Thread Freek Dijkstra
Hi Sven, I recently noted a post stating that the bootloader development team did not have access to an oldword powerpc. I have one of those, and can do some testing this weekend, even if it renders my openfirmware settings obsolete. I'm afraid I'm not an expert, but I got some real great help on

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 01:18:08PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: > On Oct 22 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > > The current miboot users simply seem to hand compress the toplevel > > vmlinux kernel and that is it. > > Yes, that's exactly what I do for an oldworld here. BTW, did you (or was > it Gaudenz) g

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-22 Thread Rogério Brito
On Oct 22 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > The current miboot users simply seem to hand compress the toplevel > vmlinux kernel and that is it. Yes, that's exactly what I do for an oldworld here. BTW, did you (or was it Gaudenz) get my .config file for the oldworld? Do you need asssistance with generatio

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:58:08PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:36:57AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:45:47PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:31:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:10:21AM -0700,

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-21 Thread Tom Rini
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 07:36:57AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:45:47PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:31:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:10:21AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200,

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:45:47PM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:31:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:10:21AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > In order t

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:10:21AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > > now launch a second round of investigation concerning the way different > > su

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Tom Rini
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:31:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:10:21AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > > > now

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Tom Rini
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Hello, > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > now launch a second round of investigation concerning the way different > subarches boot. The situation as i understand it is : [snip] > prep: no id

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:13, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Ok thanks for this response, this clearly clarifies the situation for > > oldpmac, altough i don't really think this will modify our strategy for > > oldpmac : miboot or bootx for initial install,

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:13, Sven Luther wrote: > Ok thanks for this response, this clearly clarifies the situation for > oldpmac, altough i don't really think this will modify our strategy for > oldpmac : miboot or bootx for initial install, quik for running systems > and miboot for those not sup

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:41:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:02:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > For apus there should be an Icon that directly calls

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Derrik Pates
Brad Boyer wrote: Newer OF versions supposedly support ELF files directly, but I'm not sure when that was added, or how well it works. Far as I'm aware, only systems with OpenFirmware 3 and later (i.e., NewWorld systems) have an ELF loader package in their ROMs. Maybe someone with an OF 2.x s

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:41:18PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:02:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > For apus there should be an Icon that directly calls it from the > > > CD. Should be no different then t

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:02:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > For apus there should be an Icon that directly calls it from the > > CD. Should be no different then the normal Amiga m68k. > > > > Same "freeness" problems too that allways got ign

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:02:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:31:15PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > In order to contin

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:31:15PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > > > now launch a second rou

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Brad Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:13:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Ok thanks for this response, this clearly clarifies the situation for > > oldpmac, altough i don't really think this will modify our strategy for > > oldpmac : miboot or bootx for initial inst

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Brad Boyer
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:13:01AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Ok thanks for this response, this clearly clarifies the situation for > oldpmac, altough i don't really think this will modify our strategy for > oldpmac : miboot or bootx for initial install, quik for running systems > and miboot for t

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:31:15PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Hello, > > > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > > now launch a second round of investigation concerning the way different > >

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:09:11PM -0700, Brad Boyer wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > oldpmac: uses bootx, miboot, quik or serial console OF. OF uses the > > .coff kernel, don't know about initrd. miboot uses floopy for kernel > > (compressed) and initrd. bo

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-19 Thread Brad Boyer
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > oldpmac: uses bootx, miboot, quik or serial console OF. OF uses the > .coff kernel, don't know about initrd. miboot uses floopy for kernel > (compressed) and initrd. bootx can use a kernel and separate initrd, and > quik cannot be used

Re: Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-19 Thread Chris Tillman
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:29:38AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Hello, > > In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i > now launch a second round of investigation concerning the way different > subarches boot. The situation as i understand it is : > > newpmac: uses ya

Second round of powerpc subarch investigation : boot-loaders.

2003-10-19 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, In order to continue work on making debian-installer subarch friendly, i now launch a second round of investigation concerning the way different subarches boot. The situation as i understand it is : newpmac: uses yaboot (uncompressed kernel + separate initrd) or OF (.coff kernel, don't kno