On Fri, Nov 19, 1999 at 02:04:38PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> Are we talking about wedging Debian software into a FreeBSD system, or
> are we talking about making the FreeBSD kernel available to Debian users.
Please join the debian-bsd mailing list for this discussion.
Hamish
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Hamish Moffatt
On Nov 19, Raul Miller wrote:
> Are we talking about wedging Debian software into a FreeBSD system, or
> are we talking about making the FreeBSD kernel available to Debian users.
I think we're talking about making Debian run without Linux emulation
under the FreeBSD kernel. I guess the purpose is
On Nov 19, John Goerzen wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > > Please, people, if you have not thought through the ramifications of
> > > what you are trying to do, take a step back and look at the big
> > > picture first. Why not
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > Please, people, if you have not thought through the ramifications of
> > what you are trying to do, take a step back and look at the big
> > picture first. Why not try to help the free software community
>
> If the latter, you'd provide a freebsd-kernel and a freebsd-debian-compat
> package, which a debian user could install in place of a
> linux-kernel. [And, possible the compat package would depend on some
> collection of packages -- I don't know what the linux compat library
> specifically require
> > Very little software should need to be recompiled in this case -- just
> > use the bsd kernel with the linux compatability library.
> >
> > The post I saw looked like an attempt to marshal support for recompiling
> > every debian package.
> >
> > If the purpose is indeed what you say the appr
C'mon. Not another GPLvsBSD flamefeast. Neither of you will
convince anyone. Go play some violent game (Quake, if you're so
inclined, or nethack, or something) and stop polluting our lists.
Peace,
|alo
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From: Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: ;
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Debian FreeBSD
> Let's say you want bash on your FreeBSD system. Which approach
> are you going to take?
>
> A)
>
> cd /usr/ports/...
> Very little software should need to be recompiled in this case -- just
> use the bsd kernel with the linux compatability library.
>
> The post I saw looked like an attempt to marshal support for recompiling
> every debian package.
>
> If the purpose is indeed what you say the approach is all wr
> Another problem is that we are essentially giving first aid to
> software that is dying (and rightfully so) because of its license. We
> should not be inflating the stature of BSD in the eyes of those that
> seek to undermine free software, as so doing only serves to increase
> the pressure to
Mike Goldman wrote:
> Once dpkg is ported to FreeBSD, we
> might convince the FreeBSD porters to use it instead
Well, I don't know what this problem between *BSD (seems like FreeBSD in
particular) and GNU camps is exactly about, but I know it exists. Since
dpkg uses the GPL I don't see it being a
On 19 Nov 1999, Peter Makholm wrote:
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This is a very bad idea.
>
> > Why? The BSD license.
>
> I see no problem with SPI supporting all kinds of free software and
> Debian FreeBSD won't become propitary it can't nobody can tell us
> (Debian) to s
On Thursday 18 November 1999, at 22 h 6, the keyboard of John Goerzen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is no mere political thing as you try to make it. What you and
> others are trying to do is, in my opinion, seriously damaging to the
> Free Software community. ...
> Let's stamp out the BSD
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> The fact that SPI will not make it proprietary does not prevent it
> from becoming so. The BSD license permits it. And people have, and
> continue to, exploit this weakness in the BSD license.
Actually it complies with the Open Sour
John Goerzen wrote:
> Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I see no problem with SPI supporting all kinds of free software and
> > Debian FreeBSD won't become propitary it can't nobody can tell us
> > (Debian) to stop developing it as a piece of free software.
>
> The fact that SPI will
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Please, people, if you have not thought through the ramifications of
> what you are trying to do, take a step back and look at the big
> picture first. Why not try to help the free software community
> instead of hurt it?
Argh.
IMHO
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> The fact that SPI will not make it proprietary does not prevent it
> from becoming so. The BSD license permits it. And people have, and
> continue to, exploit this weakness in the BSD license.
Well, which parts of Debian GNU/FreeBSD
At 21:14 -0800 1999-11-18, Joey Hess wrote:
>I don't get it. Debian/BSD will still use glibc, bash, etc, will it not? How
>does replacing one GPL (weakended) compondent with one BSD component affect
>much of anything when core components remain under the GPL?
Not glibc unless someone picks up the
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Please, people, if you have not thought through the ramifications of
> what you are trying to do, take a step back and look at the big
> picture first. Why not try to help the free software community
> instead of hurt it?
So the BSD
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> The fact that SPI will not make it proprietary does not prevent it
> from becoming so. The BSD license permits it. And people have, and
> continue to, exploit this weakness in the BSD license.
Some people consider that weakness a st
[ moved to the appropriate forum ]
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 09:59:28PM -0600, Andrew G . Feinberg was heard to say:
> > Some might quibble with "will" above. I think it's only a matter of
> > time. We've seen it hapen so much already. It serves our Free
> > Software community poorly to produce s
On Nov 18, John Goerzen wrote:
> This happpened to BSD. It continues to happen with it. Commercial
> interests steal the code (which they are permitted to do), make it
> proprietary, and never help out the original authors with code or give
> out their code. It is an open invitation for people
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I see no problem with SPI supporting all kinds of free software and
> Debian FreeBSD won't become propitary it can't nobody can tell us
> (Debian) to stop developing it as a piece of free software.
The fact that SPI will not make it proprietary does not
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