Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Nicolas SABOURET
David N. Welton wrote: [ This discussion is better suited to debian-project, and you can quote me publically on what I state below ] The answer is to moderate the list, as the Apache Software Foundations successfully does. 1) by default, subscribed addresses can post. 2) not

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Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread David N. Welton
Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:23:12AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. I _hate_ it when somebody cross-posts to a moderated list I'm not a member of. I have flamed everybody involved in the past for

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:47:10PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Delaying a message unnecessary is invoncenient IMHO. But the most inconvenient thing is that a moderator should approve the mail. That costs time people could spend hacking or doing other nice things

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:00:55PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:23:12AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Matthew Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. I _hate_ it when somebody cross-posts to a moderated list I'm

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:27:07AM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: How do we solve the problem then? I think the answer is easy, just make some good law against spam. Punish the people who send spam. That would *solve* the problem, not work around it. So instead of just the next message

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread David N. Welton
Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's all true, but not unsolvable. I don't know if you mean with our lawmakers the US lawmakers, Well, since the internet is global, you have to get everyone to pass anti-spam laws. That is going to take you a long, long time. but the situation is

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread David N. Welton
Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what if an e-mail address of the whitelist is included in the From: address? If you take a mail archive for example, the address of the mailinglist and addresses in the white list can be on the same page. And closing mailinglist archives isn't a

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:59:48PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's all true, but not unsolvable. I don't know if you mean with our lawmakers the US lawmakers, Well, since the internet is global, you have to get everyone to pass anti-spam

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 05:07:26PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: Jeroen Dekkers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what if an e-mail address of the whitelist is included in the From: address? If you take a mail archive for example, the address of the mailinglist and addresses in the white list

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 08:23:30PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 03:47:10PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: How do we solve the problem then? I think the answer is easy, just make some good law against spam. Punish the people who send spam. That would *solve* the

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:54:04PM +, Matthew Wilcox wrote: If debian moderates its lists, I _will_ leave the project. HEH: Hit! (10 points) BODY: Claims they will quit Debian if something is done -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Back Up

2002-03-06 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 09:12:43AM +1000, Christine Purkiss wrote: Hi, A customer of mine is interesting in installing Debian on their new server - however, I need to know who can provide the backup software required to backup the server? Have tried both Veritas and Retrospect, but with

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:00:55PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote: In any case, I think AJ's solution is pretty good and is worth pursuing. For those on the list who don't follow -private, it was something to the effect of: When a new mail comes in: if from/sender is a subscriber:

Re: Spam

2002-03-06 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: The challenge/response should probably be the same sort of thing you get for subscriptions. This'd allow people who send mail from an address And observation I've made is that the majority of true spam is sent to a large number of lists without using