Hi, Craig Sanders wrote:
> ditto for meek vs non-meek people. it is wrong to expect or demand that
> non-meek people behave timidly and fearfully just to cater to the needs of the
> meek.
Did anybody actually ask for that? I don't recall any mails to that
effect.
On the other hand? is it wrong
Hi, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>> Yes, ok, but I wouldn't call it censorship... more, a type of
>> 'policing'.
>
> Mere matter of terminology. It *is* censorship.
Hmm... calling that "mere" glosses over some important differences in
meaning.
IMHO:
Censorship means controlling which ideas get propa
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:54:35AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I think it has some problems, though -- for instance, differences in
> >versions of libc. If we supported building packages from source better
> >
Hi, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> Lukas, I see that you are coming from a position of a lot of hurt and
> pain. I empathize with your suffering. How can we list-members help
> you out?
Priceless.
*PLONK*.
--
Matthias Urlichs
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:25:13PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> > That would be a godsend. It would work, too. It's happening already:
> > a lot of people run woody as "the stable core" and backports.org
> > as "the rest", so
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Philippe Strauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >More seriously, my point is:
>> >Is there any hope to one day, to a
On 2004-03-09 22:48:49 + Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:10:28PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Certainly, the kind of harrassment documented here:
http://www.p12n.org/misc/sexism/
is not something that I would consider acceptable
I am glad you posted
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:10:28PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Certainly, the kind of harrassment documented here:
http://www.p12n.org/misc/sexism/
is not something that I would consider acceptable
I am glad you posted those logs. Now I see I was right, this whole
thing is blown way out of
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:14:20 +
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-09 12:03]:
> > If it is the flirtation that is the problem, and the problems do not
> > go beyond that to the extend of persistent harassment, then the
> > solution is sim
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:03:36PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:44:24AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> >>>Jonathan Walther <[EM
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:14:08AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
Perhaps they were not developers but the channel is a Debian resource.
Most people do not meet the developers before they consider becoming
one, or, in fact, when they first begin using Debian. It's an
off-putting environment, and not j
* Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-09 12:03]:
> If it is the flirtation that is the problem, and the problems do not
> go beyond that to the extend of persistent harassment, then the
> solution is simple; let Erinn bring more of her female friends to
> the channel to "spread the load".
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:44:24AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
>Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> >Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
> >>>2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women.
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> What about recomends and suggests of contrib or non-free packages from
> debian/main ?
How should it handle it?
> How will this separate setup handle this ?
> What about conflicts ?
What do you propose?
Michael
--
Michael Banc
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 03:03:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:36:49PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > [-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project.
> > You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case,
> > I will try read an
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 05:30:44PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> Wow, really? -vote is too much noise for me, but I definitely wouldn't
> see any reason to move my couple of non-free packages away from
> debian.org if the vote goes that way.
Fair enough. I certainly don't want to second-guess maint
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Philippe Strauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >More seriously, my point is:
> >Is there any hope to one day, to adapt debian to the number of packages
> >it bears and split release cycles bet
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On Tuesday 09 March 2004 18.04, James Sparks wrote:
> My name is James Sparks.
> I am interested in supporting Debian in any way I can.
> I firmly believe in the GPL and want it to continue
> to grow.
> I an not much of a programmer. I have only limi
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:02:50PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> You'd have to ask people actually maintaing non-free packages here. From
> the discussions on -vote, I was under this impression. I could well be
> wrong though.
I'd have thought anyone keeping up with these threads on -vote is
disp
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:02:50PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:29:58AM -0700, Kevin Rosenberg wrote:
> > Michael Banck wrote:
> > > once non-free is removed from debian.org. In fact, we might try to get
> > > non-free.org running even no matter what the outcome of the g
My name is James Sparks.
I am interested in supporting Debian in any way I can.
I firmly believe in the GPL and want it to continue
to grow.
I an not much of a programmer. I have only limited
experience in Java but I have been using Linux for
some time now and have converted from Mandrake to
D
Michael Banck wrote:
> You'd have to ask people actually maintaing non-free packages here. From
> the discussions on -vote, I was under this impression. I could well be
> wrong though.
I suppose I could ask myself: I maintain 7 non-free packages which is
6% of the total packages I maintain. I'm as
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:29:58AM -0700, Kevin Rosenberg wrote:
> Michael Banck wrote:
> > once non-free is removed from debian.org. In fact, we might try to get
> > non-free.org running even no matter what the outcome of the general
> > resolution will be, provided maintainers are interested in m
Michael Banck wrote:
> once non-free is removed from debian.org. In fact, we might try to get
> non-free.org running even no matter what the outcome of the general
> resolution will be, provided maintainers are interested in moving their
> packages there.
One of the advantages of keeping non-free
(Moving this to -project and CCing you, as I doubt your subscribed
there)
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 03:03:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > 2. The proposed implementation for non-free.org.
> >
> > Basically, there are two possibilities, a) using a GForge service and b)
> > reproducing the debian.o
A friend is downloading Sid for me on his cable modem. He uses Jigdo to
download the files and generate the iso's. Two discs out of 13 have completed.
however, both are riddled with error 404's. The first has an error 404 of 41
missing files, the second 52. I don't know exactly what any of them
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:36:49PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> [-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project.
> You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case,
> I will try read and reply to any comment]
Thanks Michael for taking the time to do thi
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:36:49PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> [-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project.
> You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case,
> I will try read and reply to any comment]
Sorry about the M-F-T. Mutt seems to have re
[-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project.
You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case,
I will try read and reply to any comment]
This document describes a proposal for a transition plan for non-free.
Note that I thought about this for quite a
One time on Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:24:08AM -0800 this person named Jonathan
Walther wrote:
> I don't believe the treatment you receive in channel #debian is
> representative of how women are treated in the project itself, by actual
> developers. The Debian developement team, including myself, ha
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:11:32AM +0100, Philippe Strauss wrote:
> Dear Mr/Ms. Debian :)
Hey, we might have a knighted developer somewhere, and you don't want to
exclude them.
> Like probably many other users, I'm facing a growing pain to stay
> on debian stable due to the fact that things lik
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Philippe Strauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>More seriously, my point is:
>Is there any hope to one day, to adapt debian to the number of packages
>it bears and split release cycles between a core of 300-500 packages
>and having the rest of packages evolving at their
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women.
Impossible. More than 90% of the worlds men use that as their chief
criter
Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
>>2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women.
>
> Impossible. More than 90% of the worlds men use that as their chief
> criteria for choosing who they flirt with. Should Debian now exc
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
The topic being discussed was the lack of women in Debian and I felt it
proper to provide some anecdotal evidence for the treatment some of us
have received.
I don't believe the treatment you receive in channel #debian is
representati
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On Monday 08 March 2004 22.12, Perry Sommer wrote:
> Hallo
>
> Ich hatte Ihnen vor einiger Zeit eine Anfrage geschrieben, in der ich Ihnen
> meine Telefonnummer mitgeteilt hatte.
>
> Ich habe nun im Internet diesen Link gefunden:
>
> http://lists.debia
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