On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Jolanta Piorko wrote:
What the fuck is going on; is it your url? -
http://www.counterpunch.org/ if not get the fuck out of there
If you had actually bothered to read the page that was present on
www.counterpunch.org instead of randomly e-mailing us, you would have
realized
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much different, and complimentary to your sites goal.
Normally, I reply to advertising
also sprach Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[2004.12.13.1808 +0100]:
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with
a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely
considered different to normal ads, and might even enhance a web
site, I thought
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:08:41PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing
also sprach martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.13.1814 +0100]:
What's in it for us? If it's pay-per-click... I don't think it is
worth the real estate as visitors of debian.org probably just
plain out ignore ads. If it's pay-per-view, then by all means...
more money is always good.
at
On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 17:08 +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13
17:08]:
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite
no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different
to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd ask on
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much different, and complimentary to
also sprach Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[2004.12.13.1827 +0100]:
Michael Banck pointed out on IRC that I should explain what google ads
actually are. The basic idea behind google ads is that you don't
simply show random ads, but ads which fit in very well with
martin f krafft wrote:
at the same time, i must add that i do not think we should allow
them. after all, why should google get to decide what might be
related?
It may point clueless users in the right dueling banjos direction :)
--
.''`. And now my bitter hands cradle broken glass of what
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much different, and complimentary to
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[2004.12.13.1808 +0100]:
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with
a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely
considered different to normal ads, and might even
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much different, and
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote:
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13
17:08]:
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite
no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different
to normal ads, and
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Honestly, I cannot imagine a reason, why the Debian projects should
turn their web pages into commercial web pages by adding Google ads
to them.
It's not clear to me that having ads would make them 'commercial'. This
would be something that would
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:35:15PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
I object. Not by any price we have to pay (and turning www.debian.org
into a commercial page *is* a high price, which could also result in
losing some of our sponsors who provide a mirror of the pages)
Yeah, I think this are two
Stephen Frost wrote:
It's not clear to me that having ads would make them 'commercial'. This
would be something that would have to be run by the appropriate people
at SPI. I doubt tbm would have brought it up if it would cause a
problem for the non-profit status of SPI.
If you seek to
Good evening Martin and *,
If I go to http://www.google.com/linux there was many times I have
found one of the adds after my search results are very useful and it
was a 100% hit !
I have found Distributors of Specialhardware supported by linux an
many things else. I use Google-Adds which search
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:08:41PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite
no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different
to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing is much different, and complimentary to your
* Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
First of all I think it is a bad idear based on the fact that it will
make debian appear commercial. It will look like debian has business
relations with what ever those ads represents.
I disagree. There are ads on postgresql.org and I certainly don't think
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-12-13 17:08:41 + Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Google has already plagued debian lists (both public and private)
terribly with their Orkut and GMail services. At best, they are no
Google did? Really? I
* Michelle Konzack:
If I go to http://www.google.com/linux there was many times I have
found one of the adds after my search results are very useful and it
was a 100% hit !
If I search for Debian Linux on Google, a Microsoft ad is displayed
next to the results. Maybe this is useful, but I
Am 2004-12-13 21:22:31, schrieb Florian Weimer:
I think it's disappointing. If this development continues, the only
ad-free space on the web will be Microsoft's web site, a few obscure
government sites, and lots of orphaned web pages which haven't been
updated for years. (For most users,
Am 2004-12-13 21:30:02, schrieb martin f krafft:
http://www.google.de/search?as_q=debian%20linux
the first link is the bring out the facts lie-page by m$.
OK, but you have used the normal GOOGLE search and
not tried the Linux-Search-Page from GOOGLE.
This makes the difference...
Greetings
also sprach Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.12.13.2129 +0100]:
...because you use mozilla with the adblock extension :-)
no, i do not. apart, i don't think adblock does this for google.
--
Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list!
.''`. martin f. krafft
Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:35:15PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
I object. Not by any price we have to pay (and turning www.debian.org
into a commercial page *is* a high price, which could also result in
losing some of our sponsors who provide a mirror of the pages)
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:08:41PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your
site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're
proposing
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:35:15PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
I object. Not by any price we have to pay (and turning www.debian.org
into a commercial page *is* a high price, which could also result in
losing some of our sponsors who provide a mirror of the pages)
Thanks Joey, couldn't
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041213 19:30]:
Stephen Frost wrote:
It's not clear to me that having ads would make them 'commercial'. This
would be something that would have to be run by the appropriate people
at SPI. I doubt tbm would have brought it up if it would cause a
-Original Message-
From: Andreas Barth
To: debian-project@lists.debian.org
Sent: 12/13/04 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Google ads on debian.org
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041213 19:30]:
Stephen Frost wrote:
It's not clear to me that having ads would make them 'commercial'.
This
* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041213 21:40]:
http://www.google.de/search?as_q=debian%20linux
the first link is the bring out the facts lie-page by m$.
OK, but you have used the normal GOOGLE search and
not tried the Linux-Search-Page from GOOGLE.
This makes the difference...
No,
On Monday 13 December 2004 21:37, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2004-12-13 21:22:31, schrieb Florian Weimer:
I think it's disappointing. If this development continues, the only
ad-free space on the web will be Microsoft's web site, a few obscure
government sites, and lots of orphaned web
* Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041213 18:53]:
Maybe the next offer ist to place ads to the head or footer of each
distributed mail on our list server?
And maybe we can consider each suggestion on a case-by-case basis and
make a decision on a case-by-case basis.
Or maybe we should just
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041213 18:14]:
more money is always good.
AFAIK Debian has more money, than we can (usefully) spend (at our
current rate). I think that was pointed out just a feek weeks ago in
the donate for e-Mail account discussion.
I startet to use Debian, because it
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13
17:08]:
I received the following message from someone at Google:
[...]
Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite
no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different
to normal
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13 18:34]:
Is there a way for us to get a feel what Google would consider
relevant? E.g. a page at google.com which would show us some of the
ads to give us a general feel of how good their selection is?
This is getting a bit off-topic now. I was
On 2004-12-13 19:38:18 + Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
Google has already plagued debian lists (both public and private)
terribly
with their Orkut and GMail services. At best, they are no
Google did? Really? I could see a lot of
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Frank Lichtenheld wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 06:35:15PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
I object. Not by any price we have to pay (and turning www.debian.org
into a commercial page *is* a high price, which could also result in
losing some of our
* Alexander Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041213 18:14]:
more money is always good.
AFAIK Debian has more money, than we can (usefully) spend (at our
current rate). I think that was pointed out just a feek weeks ago in
the donate for e-Mail
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* Stephen Frost:
I disagree. There are ads on postgresql.org and I certainly don't think
they make it look like Postgresql is commercial.
I think it's disappointing. If this development continues, the only
ad-free space on the web will be
* Lars H. Beuse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Those Google Ads are look the way they do. cause they're made for a special
target group. So that's just quit a good marketing idea (not new). If you
want you could say thats also way to make people think Google is different,
they're serious,
* Pete van der Spoel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041213 19:30]:
I personally don't see the issues so problematic as you do. But: A lot
of (valuable) project members disagree, and, frankly speaking, keeping
you (and some other people happy) is much more
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