Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.08.2259 +0200]: Since 1 July, new mirror reports open a wishlist bug against the mirrors package and someone handles it when we get time. We'd welcome more help with http://bugs.debian.org/mirrors - if you're not a DD, mail me patches. Warning: I'm

Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread Per Marker Mortensen
At Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:39:25 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Hi I'm one of at least two handling mirrors bugs now. Can you tell me how it's being reformed, please? I've heard nothing yet AFAICR. I don't think people associated you with mirrors previously, and it's the first time I've seen

Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin F Krafft] I am not sure this is such a good idea for privacy reasons. If I mail mirrors@, I am not warned that my message will be publicly readable. You actually thought correspondence with a free software project would be non-public? I find that rather unusual. I would say that

Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.09.1245 +0200]: I am not sure this is such a good idea for privacy reasons. If I mail mirrors@, I am not warned that my message will be publicly readable. You actually thought correspondence with a free software project would be

Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.08.2259 +0200]: Since 1 July, new mirror reports open a wishlist bug against the mirrors package and someone handles it when we get time. I am not sure this is such a good idea for privacy reasons. If I

Re: ping the mirrors team

2005-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feel free to make a change and announce it. I never saw an announcement that on July 1, the mirror submission form would automatically file bugs. I don't oppose to this, but I certainly oppose to it just happening. Most web site changes aren't

What the DFSG really says about trademarks

2005-08-09 Thread Bruce Perens
MJ, In this case, I believe you're confused about what the DFSG says about trademarks. DFSG #4 very clearly states: The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software. When creating the DFSG, I recognized, and respected, the right of

Re: Bug#321701: bug handling is a maintainers job

2005-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:48:16 -0400, Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: May I suggest a less controversial way to handle this would be to have a script that automaticly closes *new* wishlist bugs and sends the submitter a message like this: If someone finds such a script in existence,

Re: Bug#321701: bug handling is a maintainers job

2005-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:26:24 +0200, Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: My personal choice is to forward the bug reports in the cases it makes sense, after triaging the report (yes, I triage rteports to save my upstreams time); and in cases it makes sense, I ask

Re: What the DFSG really says about trademarks

2005-08-09 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 8/9/05, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian has solidly beaten Novell in the market. Wonderful news if true, but where's the evidence? -- Andrew Saunders

Re: What the DFSG really says about trademarks

2005-08-09 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Bruce Perens date=Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 11:34:41AM -0700 This latest round was provoked by the DCC announcement. I participated in the DCCA meeting yesterday evening. The organization has agreed to call themselves the Debian Common Core Association in order to make it more clear that

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
sigh I absolutely *hate* being forced to defend myself against this crap and as a general rule, don't. But mob rule is one step too far. There is a small group of people in this project who have spent the past several years trashing me in every forum they can. They've been putting around this

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 8/9/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is: think for yourself, and consider the sources of what you think you know. How accurate is it *really*? What do you find when you look at the things which actually happened? That's sage advice. However, mako stated: If you read the Debian

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
The notion of a pledge to killfile Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively critiquing his conduct on public Debian lists; but I would be horrified to see him censored. Surely, even if every unkind thing I have seen written about him

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 05:08:02PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The notion of a pledge to killfile Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively critiquing his conduct on public Debian lists; but I would be horrified to see him

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion of a pledge to killfile Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively critiquing his conduct on public Debian lists; but I would

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: Nobody has proposed censoring Andrew. People are simply stating that they will stop listening to him. Would you deny them that freedom? Do that quitely, then. A public motion to killfile someone is a public statement, and that's how it should be

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, quite. First they came for those who gratuitously insulted people on the lists; then they came for the ones who posted diatribes about RMS's occupation on -legal; then they came for you, and... oh wait, they already got you, didn't they.

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:08:02 -0700, Michael K Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The notion of a pledge to killfile Andrew is thoroughly juvenile. I am probably as guilty (if that is the word) as anyone of negatively critiquing his conduct on public Debian lists; but I would be horrified to see

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:21:07 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: Nobody has proposed censoring Andrew. People are simply stating that they will stop listening to him. Would you deny them that freedom? Do that quitely,

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:30:03 -0700, Michael K Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 8/9/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, quite. First they came for those who gratuitously insulted people on the lists; then they came for the ones who posted diatribes about RMS's occupation on

Re: Pledge To Killfile Andrew Suffield

2005-08-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/9/05, Manoj Srivastava va, manoj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to follow this. Ultimately, killfiling is a personal decision. If a bunch of people are all of one mind over kill filing someone, how does it affect the reputation of rational discourse? Since when have I been