Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, if there are people like that who are not DD's, the question we must ask, is wjy are they not DD's? If they are putting in the work, and have the same commitment as a DD does, even if they do not package stuff, why is the project not treating

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, if there are people like that who are not DD's, the question we must ask, is wjy are they not DD's? If they are putting in the work, and have the same commitment as a DD does, even if they do not package

what are developers ? (was Third call for votes...)

2006-04-05 Thread JC Helary
On 2006/04/05, at 15:27, MJ Ray wrote: The Debian New Maintainer process is a series of required proceedings to become a Debian Developer. -- http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint Or is the above statement false? It seems to disagree with the constitution section 3.2.1 Developers are

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Eddy Petrişor
On 4/5/06, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can someone who is not a package maintainer become a developer, if becoming a developer requires being a maintainer? Not quite, if you contribue to different areas with your effort, you can bexom a DD, see NM page. -- Regards, EddyP

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:43:57PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:36:58PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's argueably the most

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote: There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights. I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get the developer status, don't get together and

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread JC Helary
On 2006/04/05, at 20:02, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote: There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights. I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:14, JC Helary wrote: I am not sure what point you are trying to make ? The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like translators are waiting for the mountain to come to them (change procedures, make entry easier). It does not work like that: you have to go to

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread JC Helary
On 2006/04/05, at 20:53, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:14, JC Helary wrote: I am not sure what point you are trying to make ? The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like translators are waiting for the mountain to come to them (change procedures, make entry

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:27, JC Helary wrote: Besides, the systematic use of developer is also confusing and to clarify things should be replaced my member as is also hinted in the same document. You cannot change the word developer to member without changing the Debian Constitution [1]

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread JC Helary
On 2006/04/05, at 21:53, Frans Pop wrote: On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:27, JC Helary wrote: Besides, the systematic use of developer is also confusing and to clarify things should be replaced my member as is also hinted in the same document. You cannot change the word developer to member

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:45:50AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 3 Apr 2006, Wouter Verhelst outgrape: I don't have any problems per se with non-DD contributors being allowed to vote on matters of purely technical substance. I have a problem with _anyone_ voting on a matter

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 07:27:03AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] and b) there is no clear-cut and objective criteria currently to identify those people who do make regular contributions without being a developer. Unless something has changed since I last

Re: what are developers ?

2006-04-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 5 Apr 2006, JC Helary outgrape: Obviously, not all managing contributors would need full access rights to _all_ (or any of) the servers. So in the end we'd still have a super-class of contributors who are entitled to upload access but the uploaders would share the political burden with

help

2006-04-05 Thread Fred
I am a very new newbie. I am pretty versed with windows OS, but I am looking to learn linux. I installed debian, the install went fine, but I can not get into the x-windows. I am still stuck in the DOS portion. I am not understanding the boot process. The system boots, go through

Re: help

2006-04-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
This is not the appropriate mailing list for help requests. Please try directing further questions to debian-user@lists.debian.org For other ways of getting help please have a look at http://www.debian.org/support, where you can find pointers to newsgroups, forums, and irc channels. Now,

Re: help

2006-04-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 10:59, Fred wrote: I am a very new newbie. I am pretty versed with windows OS, but I am looking to learn linux. I installed debian, the install went fine, but I can not get into the x-windows. I am still stuck in the DOS portion. There is no DOS portion in Linux.

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Henning Makholm date=Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 02:36:58PM +0200 How is making long-term, sustained, and significant contributions to Debian _not_ engaging in development? If you think that Debian's long-time pro-bono legal counsel is engaging in development, I think we're just getting