Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:56:25 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What is an issue is that a sloppy proposal mail may have mislead >> the sponsors to believe that a preamble was an introductory >> section, or vice versa. Hard to k

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is an issue is that a sloppy proposal mail may have > mislead the sponsors to believe that a preamble was an introductory > section, or vice versa. Hard to know unless the proposors and ponsors > are clear about their intent. Right, s

Debconf7 out of June

2006-09-20 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, According to the minutes from the meeting on 2006-09-09 [1], it seems that the candidate dates for Debconf7 lie in the middle of June. For some of us, this is a problem, as June is probably one of the most problematic months for going for many peo

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 07:44:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > No one has asked that the vote.d.o pages include "background > > material". I have asked that the text of resolutions not be > > misleadingly edited > Miisleadingly edited? Wittingly or unwittingly? Are you > claiming

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:07:58 +0100, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Filibustering general resolutions"): >> Due to a loop hole in the constitution, any group of 6 Debian >> developers can delay any general resolution indefinitely by putting >> up their own amendm

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:39:01 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Seems like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. > It seems to me as if what happened was: > You thought the "preamble" was rationale and not part of the > r

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR"): > I don't really know how best to help with the underlying problem here. Part of the problem is that there are still people who think that we can rely on procedures to protect us absolutely from people. This is obviously

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes ("Filibustering general resolutions"): > Due to a loop hole in the constitution, any group of 6 Debian > developers can delay any general resolution indefinitely by putting > up their own amendment, and every 6 days, making substantiative > changes in their amendm

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Seems like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. It seems to me as if what happened was: You thought the "preamble" was rationale and not part of the resolution proper; but the proposer said "no, that was an important part of the resolu

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:28:26 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:15:28PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I don't think it is too much to ask that the proposers and/or >> seconders of General Resolutions create and maintain wiki pages, >> for example, whe

Re: Debconf7 out of June

2006-09-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10783 March 1977, Miguel Gea Milvaques wrote: > According to the minutes from the meeting on 2006-09-09 [1], it seems > that the candidate dates for Debconf7 lie in the middle of June. For > some of us, this is a problem, as June is probably one of the most > problematic months for going for ma

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:21:40 -0400, Benj Mako Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> quote who="Manoj Srivastava" date="Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:09:04AM >> -0500"> >> The project should decide how it wants to handle filibustering, if >> it feels like doing anything about it, of course. > It seems lik

Re: Debconf7 out of June

2006-09-20 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Miguel Gea Milvaques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.09.20.0808 +0200]: > It would be nice if the people who has to reach a decision took > that into account, and tried to moved the Debconf7 out of June. Some people are just not going to be able to make it to Debconf7. If we wait much longer

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> Due to a loop hole in the constitution, any group of 6 Debian > developers can delay any general resolution indefinitely by putting > up their own amendment, and every 6 days, making substantiative > changes in their amendment (they can just rotate between a small > number of very di

Re: Debconf7 out of June

2006-09-20 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
> According to the minutes from the meeting on 2006-09-09 [1], it seems > that the candidate dates for Debconf7 lie in the middle of June. For > some of us, this is a problem, as June is probably one of the most > problematic months for going for many people, especially for those who > are studyin

Debconf7 out of June

2006-09-20 Thread Miguel Gea Milvaques
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, According to the minutes from the meeting on 2006-09-09 [1], it seems that the candidate dates for Debconf7 lie in the middle of June. For some of us, this is a problem, as June is probably one of the most problematic months for going for many peo

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:13:41 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >> And people tell me I am guilty of egregious abuse of power? > Bla. >> This is just a bunch of concerned developers very slowly crafting a >> resolution.

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-20 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > And people tell me I am guilty of egregious abuse of power? Bla. > This is just a bunch of concerned developers very slowly crafting a > resolution. I am sure I can make my resolution come to perfection > over the course of several y

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second the below proposal. == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works that they use on their computer; about giving users the same information that copyrigh

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
> == BEGIN PROPOSAL = > > The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works > that they use on their computer; about giving users the same > information that copyright holders and upstream developers have. As > such, a critical part