Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Continuing publicly a discussion started in -private, with the agreement of Pierre ] The discussion concerns the use of money as a resource within Debian. Dunc-Tank's principle is to use the money to pay for real work and not only for travel expenses and reimbursments. This principle is too new

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le dim 8 octobre 2006 12:34, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : In the worst scenario, the sponsor will be disappointed and will not give money any more. But if the rules are clear from the beginning, it's only fair. it's not true. If the sponsoree well-beeing (because he tries to live from that)

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Le dim 8 octobre 2006 12:34, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : In the worst scenario, the sponsor will be disappointed and will not give money any more. But if the rules are clear from the beginning, it's only fair. it's not true. If the sponsoree

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le dim 8 octobre 2006 14:18, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : And if the comments associated to the project proposal indicate that there's some controversy in the idea behind the project, then the donor would be aware that there's a risk that the stuff doesn't get integrated into Debian proper.

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: Le dim 8 octobre 2006 14:18, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : And if the comments associated to the project proposal indicate that there's some controversy in the idea behind the project, then the donor would be aware that there's a risk that the

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le dim 8 octobre 2006 15:36, Stephen Gran a écrit : This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said: Le dim 8 octobre 2006 14:18, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : And if the comments associated to the project proposal indicate that there's some controversy in the idea behind the project,

Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-08 Thread mmlacak
Let me cite Mr. Reiser ( http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8278035161.html ): The legal costs, and the low rewards from open-source programming, had also been upsetting Mr. Reiser. In a 2005 email conversation, he wrote, 'Free software is not a good way to make money. We as a society

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Bill Allombert
[mostly reposting what I sent to debian-private] On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:34:01PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I also explained that Dunc-Tank's initial experiment of funding release manager is not a long term model for us. And as a board member, I said that I don't intend to fund other

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:34:01PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: The set of projects that can be funded are projects proposed by Debian developers. I expect Debian developers to propose only projects that are improving Debian. If some of those projects also serve the private interest of

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 11:54:46PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: This means that someone with a lot of money will be able to decide which projects will be completed just be funding them. Other projects will not be completed because people will lack time and incentive even if these projects

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This means that someone with a lot of money will be able to decide which projects will be completed just be funding them. Other projects will not be completed because people will lack time and incentive even if these projects would improve Debian more.

Re: New Maintainers

2006-10-08 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Mohammed Adnène Trojette adn *blink* :) Norbert Preining preining Ooooh :) welcome. Hidetaka Iwai tyuyu I'm a student of the medical department of Hokkaido university. There are three things I want to do for Debian. heh, of course, you've already graduated and became a doctor in the

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 11:54:46PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: This means that someone with a lot of money will be able to decide which projects will be completed just be funding them. Other projects will not be completed because people will lack time and incentive even if these projects

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Mike Bird
On Sunday 08 October 2006 19:56, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 11:54:46PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: This means that someone with a lot of money will be able to decide which projects will be completed just be funding them. Other projects will not be completed because

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-08 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 08:45:22PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: On Sunday 08 October 2006 19:56, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: In my opinion, this is exactly the same as: This means that someone with a lot of time will be able to decide which projects will be completed just by doing them. Other

Surely you: ever supposed to remain, immortal, alike. We were equal

2006-10-08 Thread Oscar Wallace
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