Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread MJ Ray
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I would submit that people who consider quitting or actually quit over something like that probably have other issues to deal with. Can we leave the sanity attacks out of it, please? It's unhelpful to suggest that all the people with concerns

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Thibaut VARENE
On 10/8/06, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not related: - known developers are not necessarily bad developers - technically good developers are not necessarily unknown These are extremely bold assumptions, stated as if they were facts. Cunning. And here comes the well known

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread David Weinehall
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 09:40:40AM +0200, Thibaut VARENE wrote: On 10/8/06, Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not related: - known developers are not necessarily bad developers - technically good developers are not necessarily unknown These are extremely bold assumptions,

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Jérôme Marant
Le lundi 09 octobre 2006 18:54, Martin Schulze a écrit : hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before (yes, others will hate me for writing this again) because of this. Some developers ask themselves

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 12:00:12AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote: Le lundi 09 octobre 2006 18:54, Martin Schulze a écrit : hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before (yes, others will hate me for

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 08:37:32AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I would submit that people who consider quitting or actually quit over something like that probably have other issues to deal with. Can we leave the sanity attacks out of it, please?

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 09:40:40AM +0200, Thibaut VARENE wrote: In my view, if I were involved in a given project, giving it a good part of my free (unpaid) time, and I were to see some other guy working on this very same project doing the same work I'm doing, I guess I wouldn't feel

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-10 Thread mmlacak
Martin Schulze wrote: mmlacak wrote: So, my question is: can we make SPI ( http://www.spi-inc.org/, http://www.debian.org/donations ) into monetary service which accepts from and is able to transfer money to any country in the world? Is able to deliver money basically from door to

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Guido Heumann
MJ Ray schrieb: Can we leave the sanity attacks out of it, please? It's unhelpful to suggest that all the people with concerns about this experiment have personality problems. Are the attacks on people because there are no good answers to the concerns of Martin Schulze and others? From

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:22:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [...] The strange thing is that while I see lots of discussion about why people should or should not be allowed to fund particular developers to do particular things, I don't see any similar discussion about why people should

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Denis Barbier
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 01:14:05PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [...] Would I love to get paid to my work on Debian? Sure, who wouldn't? But, is it going to make me quit if someone else working on something for Debian gets paid to do it? Nope. I would submit that people who consider

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 08:50:39PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:22:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [...] The strange thing is that while I see lots of discussion about why people should or should not be allowed to fund particular developers to do particular

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Denis Barbier
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 03:53:34PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 08:50:39PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:22:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [...] The strange thing is that while I see lots of discussion about why people should

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 10:14:16PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: Program runs successfully here after dropping the 'assert (tine == money);' statement. Huh? I hate to be the one to break it to you, but many things life boil down to a question of time or money. Re-read my

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the introduction of our Constitution: The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system[*]. I first did not notice the footnote [*] ... and find a job in the IT industry. My

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Thibaut VARENE wrote: It's obvious giving money will affect someone's behaviour (allowing him/her to work full time on a project, for instance). And as action induces reaction, the moment there's someone which is given money, there will be two class of peoples: the ones

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Denis Barbier said: On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 03:53:34PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 08:50:39PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:22:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [...] The strange thing is that while

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thibaut VARENE said: It's obvious giving money will affect someone's behaviour (allowing him/her to work full time on a project, for instance). And as action induces reaction, the moment there's someone which is given money, there will be two class of peoples: the

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
mmlacak dijo [Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 06:27:12PM -0400]: FWIW: I don't think SPI should become an international bank. Nor do I believe that SPI has the resources to do so. That wasn't my original proposal either. I pretty much clumsy titled it international money transfer service, while, in

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2006-10-10 Thread Sleepy Gomez
I have a computer (Dell pentium 3, for windows 2000 prof, windows 98, and windows nt4.0) that is completely clean, no windows, no nothing. Can I put Debian on this machine with nothing else and will it work? I suppose I will need to add an e-mail program. Many thanks SLEEPY -- To

Re: Q

2006-10-10 Thread Michael Labowicz
Short answer: Depends on the hardware that's in your box, but I would assume a P3 should have more than enough horsepower for a basic desktop install.Long answer: the best way to check would be to try installing it, if that's not an option, consult somthing like: