Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Kevin Mark wrote: If someone goes through the arduious process of becomeing a DD: proving their knowledge of: a. FLOSS ideals, b. Debian ideals, c. FLOSS legal ideas, d. computer languages, e. social skills f. and patience to wait for various approvals, account

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: But I know that there are/will be DDs which do infrastructure stuff only, and rarely upload packages. Such DDs should never be regarded as MIA, of course. I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure contributions are necessary and

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? Yes. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Also people who do translations. Perhaps we can institute other

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : his is silly Are you sure that this is not a typo for This is silly? A rather unfortunate one, since what Manoj wrote looks a lot more like a personal attack than it

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:30:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : While I do not approve of ad hominem attacks on the mailing list, I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not be overly genteel about silly ideas. You twist people words

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 08:43, Steve Langasek wrote: I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure contributions are necessary and valuable, but we don't admit people as Debian Developers on the basis of infrastructure contributions, nor to work on infrastructure; They may need (depending what it is they

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:19:38AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 23/07/09 at 01:10 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:57:07AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Inactive maintainers do not make harm by definition. The two are completely orthogonal. Also, I disagree that

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : his is silly Are you sure that this is not a typo for This is silly? It didn't occur to me to interpret it any other way

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: [...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...] I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society (=genteel) even when confronted with a silly idea. Maybe the above

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ben Finney wrote: Manoj seems to be emitting a great deal more typos to Debian forums in recent years. Perhaps we should pool together donations for a better keyboard for him? Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to remove the unneeded

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Fri Jul 24 08:43, Steve Langasek wrote: I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure contributions are necessary and valuable, but we don't admit people as Debian Developers on the basis of infrastructure contributions, nor to work on

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote: Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: [...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...] I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society (=genteel) even when

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? Yes. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Also people who do

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? Yes. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Also people who do translations. Perhaps we can

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes...

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Setting up a bot should not be too much work, once we set out the format of the structured email received. And an archive of the mail, perhaps sorted by the human it is attributed to, can help a human auditing the system. Just use the code and from CIA.vc.

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: But I know that there are/will be DDs which do infrastructure stuff only, and rarely upload packages. Such DDs should never be regarded as MIA, of course. I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 16:46, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes...

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Kevin Mark wrote: If someone goes through the arduious process of becomeing a DD: proving their knowledge of: a. FLOSS ideals, b. Debian ideals, c. FLOSS legal ideas, d. computer languages, e. social skills f. and patience to wait for various

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Richard Hecker
Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: ...snip... This is hilarious. Two posts attacking the man -- ad hominem -- and these are the folks talking about being less aggressive. Twisting again are you? Only

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