Re: libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Bauer schrieb: > Hi, > > today I have been lingering in the realms of /etc examining the files > breaking the tradition > of using small letters in filenames (ConsoleKit, GeoIP.conf.default, > NetworkManager, etc.). > > This advertisement is co

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Samstag, 8. August 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Does people think that would be too much? I'm divided on the issue -- > on one hand, I don't want Debian to end up plastered with ads, on the > other hand, the tool is not useful without a token, so pointing people > to where they can get o

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Ben Finney
Tollef Fog Heen writes: > I'm packaging yubikey-personalization, a tool used to set the crypto > keys for Yubikeys, which are OTP hardware tokens. The tool is useless > without a token, so I'm wondering if I should put a reference into the > description for where people can read more about the t

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ben Finney | I think that's a job, not for the Debian package information, but for | the project's home page. The package description should give enough | information for the reader to understand whether they want the package | on their system. Noted. (As I'm divided on whether to add the in

Re: Debian on Atom 330 Question

2009-08-08 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 03:03:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Rein Tendonsie writes: > > > Beste, > >   > >   > > Momenteel heb ik een dedicated server genomen ergens en men > > zegt er dat ze geen Debian willen instaleren omdat deze niet zou werken > > omwillen van de processor. > >  

Re: Opera in your repos

2009-08-08 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Matthew Johnson > > | We would need a licence which allowed it to be redistributed by Debian > | and used by all of our users. The reference for this is Debian Policy > | 2.2.3 and 2.3: > > We need the redistribution bit, I don't think we need it

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:55:36AM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:38:56 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > >>> How does Ubuntu want to do a proper (commercial) support for their packages >>> if >>> they don't even have the time/manpower to take care o

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Sandro Tosi wrote: > what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in > a sense "hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have > no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have > another 1000 things to do". I'm not sure it will happen, but I fe

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in >> a sense "hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have >> no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have >> another 1000 things to do". I'm not

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 09:34:39PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 20:07, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 06:40:06PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> THEY STEAL our packages > > > > Uarg. That sentence let me discard everything sensible/intelligent

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Luk Claes wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> Sandro Tosi wrote: >> >>> what can happen is that he prepare a rough solution, sent to debian in >>> a sense "hey, take it, I've done my work, it's an ugly hack but I have >>> no time to prepare an elegant solution; Now I got to go, I have >>> another 1000

The Python mess in Debian (was: Re: On cadence and collaboration)

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
To come back to Debian Luk Claes wrote: > Hmm, AFAICT python2.6 did not really happen in Debian yet because > Mathias is trying to not continue with the existing hacks that have > major issues when upgrading and wants to have a clean solution. The only hack is the broken piece of python-centr

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > To come back to Debian > > Luk Claes wrote: >> Hmm, AFAICT python2.6 did not really happen in Debian yet because >> Mathias is trying to not continue with the existing hacks that have >> major issues when upgrading and wants to have a clean solution. > > The only hack i

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 08 août 2009 à 16:14 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : > AFAICT, the real problem is that after unpack many python modules do not > work as they use symlink hackery in the postinst. This hasn’t been an issue in real-world cases for quite some time (python-support 0.8, and an even older version

Re: The Python mess in Debian (was: Re: On cadence and collaboration)

2009-08-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-08-08, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Wrong. Several people tried to contact Matthias on various ways and never got > a > reply. He also completely failed to communicate with those people who maintain > most Python related packages on Debian, except during Debconf. This is *NOT* > the > way how

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Luk Claes wrote: > AFAIK python-central does have the necessary tools to clean up. As soon as you use the 'nomove' option it fails to do so properly. Unfortunately a lot of packages were introduced with this option. >>> AFAICS >>> that was already communicated in February [0] and was only reall

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-08-08, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> AFAICT, the real problem is that after unpack many python modules do not >> work as they use symlink hackery in the postinst. > What do you mean exactly? Could you point me to an example? > The only problem I see is that it starts to become complicated as soo

Re: libgeoip1: Debian turning into an advertising crap?

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Frank Bauer dijo [Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:49:14AM +0200]: > Hi, > > today I have been lingering in the realms of /etc examining the files > breaking the tradition > of using small letters in filenames (ConsoleKit, GeoIP.conf.default, > NetworkManager, etc.). > > This advertisement is contained in

Re: Referring to product's web site in description?

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 08:37:38AM +0200]: > I'm packaging yubikey-personalization, a tool used to set the crypto > keys for Yubikeys, which are OTP hardware tokens. The tool is useless > without a token, so I'm wondering if I should put a reference into the > description for wh

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mark Shuttleworth dijo [Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:37:04AM +0100]: > (...) > It would be substantially easier to collaborate on RC (and non-RC) bug > fixes where the base versions of major components were the same. Umm... Real, hard RC bugs will be present on more than one release of the same upstrea

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Philipp Kern wrote: > I think there were at least two things (I think not check them, but from > memory > what Matthias told me): > > * python-support breaks upstream assumptions about relative imports. > * python-support does not always have stable symlink handling, i.e. they >should may

Re: The Python mess in Debian

2009-08-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 08 août 2009 à 15:45 +, Philipp Kern a écrit : > And no, it's not the missing byte-compilation that triggers the failure but > the > missing symlink farm that's usually processed by a trigger at the end of the > installation run. The symlink farm is created in the postinst of each p

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz writes: > As long as it is (partly?) based on the fact that bugs will be fixed by > Debian for free so Ubuntu can just reuse the bugfixes and get the money > for them, I think it should be discussed. People keep saying things like this, but no one I know who's running Ubuntu is pay