Le Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:59:11PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit :
[Lars Wirzenius]
* a Comment field would be good
* license shortnames/keywords: the set of keywords probably needs work,
and hopefully can be compatible with what other projects use; the
current thread on the
Le Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 09:39:32PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
2) The Policy does not describe the DEP syntax for escaping empty lines.
Policy §5.1 does not describe the mechanism of using a space plus a dot
to escape empty lines in field values,
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 01:47:42PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On to, 2010-08-12 at 14:59 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 08/12/2010 02:45 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
- Migrating all packages to the new format is an insane task which
would take a *long* time and a lot of work.
There
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 05:45:12PM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
Attached is a patch that tries to clarify this in the DEP itself. Do you
think it does an adequate job of this? If so, given that this is a
It certainly makes it more clearer.
Ok, committed to trunk, thanks!
Something around
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:04:12AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 04:13:57PM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
We should say explicitly that the copyright field is a rollup of all
relevant copyright declarations for that group of files,
Le Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 06:25:59AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
So we have at least three suggestions on the table now:
1. Rename Maintainer: to Contact:
2. Rename Maintainer: to Upstream-Contact: and Name: to Upstream-Name:
3. Drop both Maintainer: and Name: completely, even as
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:45:21PM +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
On to, 2010-08-12 at 22:28 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes:
On to, 2010-08-12 at 17:14 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
* An additional section with the same syntax as the Files section but
with
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 06:18:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
As example of free-form comments that do not need a field, there is
extracts of the correspondance with the authors when some points need to
be confirmed,
This is a good point.
and the traditional “On Debian systems, the
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 05:25:34PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
1. Rename Maintainer: to Contact:
2. Rename Maintainer: to Upstream-Contact: and Name: to Upstream-Name:
3. Drop both Maintainer: and Name: completely, even as optional fields
In my experience, packagers do their best, and
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 06:18:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
File globbing syntax
Here is what I think represents the broader consensus from previous
discussion:
* **`Files`**: List of space-separated pathnames indicating files that
have the same licence.
Le Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 03:03:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 05:25:34PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
The Policy recommends to “name the original authors of the package and the
Debian maintainer(s) who were involved with its creation”, but it is debated
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 02:32:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 05:43:36PM +1200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
The SPDX people are collaboration with other projects, including
Fedora, on this right now. Steve and I discussed it and he'll join
the SPDX mailing list to
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 09:39:32PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
3) License text will contain leading spaces.
In debian/control's Description field, the field value keeps the
leading space of the line, but the description is later wrapped again
unless
Le Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 07:16:49AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
I would, however, keep a short list of shortnames for the versioned
licenses in /usr/share/common-licenses (excluding BSD, plain GFDL, plain
GPL, plain LGPL, plain Artistic): Apache-2.0, GFDL-1.2, GFDL-1.3, GPL-1,
GPL-2,
On su, 2010-08-15 at 13:55 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
That sounds like a good idea. As long as I would not be alone, I would
be willing to join such a list and answer questions from our
upstreams.
That's two of us. Anyone else who'd like to help?
Two is enough to kick this off, though. I'll ask
On la, 2010-08-14 at 21:39 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
This raises something else I was thinking about. I believe that technical
DEPs, if adopted, should move into the debian-policy package for further
maintenance.
I agree with this, with both my DEP-5 and DEP-0 hats on. (It's cold in
On su, 2010-08-15 at 01:32 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
That seems sensible to me. I think it will require some significant
restructuring of the text, to declare the License and Copyright fields in
advance of references to them in the discussion of the header stanza, so
maybe we should
On su, 2010-08-15 at 16:01 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I attached three consecutive patches, that I think reflect our current
discussion.
- The first one is just a re-iteration of Lars' patch, in
which I added the title of §5.1, and the version of the current Policy.
Your patch also
Stephen Frost wrote:
And so, I'd like to open this idea up to discussion, in particular to
those who were not part of the discussion at DebConf. I don't believe
forming of this group requires any particular delegation from the DPL
at this time, but as this concept grows and becomes
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 07:38:47PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 03:03:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
The Copyright field should only ever be used to list copyrights. To use it
for any other purpose would be gratuitously confusing. So no, it does not
serve
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 01:42:41PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Not sure if this point has been raised already:
If Debian use an own format rather than e.g. SPDX then we might
easier be able to deal with potential disagreements on licensing
interpretations.
Debian has different opinion
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:15:10AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
- The second replaces stanza by paragraph.
For these kinds of search+replace things, it's easier for me to just say
to do that than to provide a patch I need to proofread. I've done the
replacement and pushed the change.
Tsss.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 02:00:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Maybe an improvement could be to clarify that verbatim do not mean
as-is, only word-for-word.
But verbatim *means* word-for-word. Does it mean something else in
Danish, or did a dictionary lead you to believe it had a different
Steve Langasek, dimanche 15 août 2010, 11:47:53 CEST
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 02:00:21PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Maybe an improvement could be to clarify that verbatim do not mean
as-is, only word-for-word.
But verbatim *means* word-for-word. Does it mean something else in
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:15:10AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
For these kinds of search+replace things, it's easier for me to just
say to do that than to provide a patch I need to proofread. I've done
the replacement and pushed the change.
Tsss.
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 06:18:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I would prefer to use the same syntax as .gitignore, since it already
deals with all of the complicated cases of matching files in particular
paths versus a file by that name anywhere in the
Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes:
I propose, in the description of the License field:
* Remaining lines: Each non-empty line of the license text
should be prefixed by a single space or TAB character. Empty
lines should be replaced with a line consisting of a space or
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:00:49AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2010-08-12, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
* Various things are easier if debian/copyright can be parsed and
interpreted by software, rather than being free-form text. For
example, answering questions like what stuff is
Le Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 05:08:47AM +1200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
I propose, in the description of the License field:
* Remaining lines: Each non-empty line of the license text
should be prefixed by a single space or TAB character. Empty
lines should be replaced
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Carsten Hey wrote:
* Charles Plessy [2010-08-15 00:20 +0900]:
Le Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 01:26:45PM +0200, Carsten Hey a écrit :
Shouldn't it be mentioned in the licenses description that the expat
license sometimes wrongly is referred to as MIT license?
I wonder if the tradition of
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:30:06PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I use the Contact field instead of the Maintainer field for my packages, and
nobody commented about, and they passed through the NEW queue.
I therefore think, in my humble opinion, that the attached patch is consensual
and could
Le Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 07:03:25PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:30:06PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I use the Contact field instead of the Maintainer field for my packages, and
nobody commented about, and they passed through the NEW queue.
I therefore think,
On ma, 2010-08-16 at 12:34 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Give me a break, please.
Let's give everyone a break. DEP-5 has a long, complicated history, and
various people's feelings or egos have been bruised over time. It would
be good to avoid doing any more of that. The current hectic pace isn't
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