Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 02:34:00PM +, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > Hello! > > Karsten Merker: > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> On 15276 March 1977, Karsten Merker wrote: > >> > 4. NM Committee review > -- > The NMC has 7 days

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-10 Thread Matthew Vernon
Miles Fidelman writes: > At the risk of repeating myself: I'm a firm believer in applying > Postel's law to email discussions - "be conservative in what you do, > be liberal in what you accept from others." Personally, I try to > observe both parts of it, but I see more and more people doing

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 1/10/19 3:02 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 07:20:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 1/9/19 5:39 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:47:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: People seem to feel they're unreasonably put-upon by having to

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 07:20:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 1/9/19 5:39 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: > > Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:47:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > People seem to feel they're unreasonably put-upon by having to think > > > > about > > >

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hello! Karsten Merker: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> On 15276 March 1977, Karsten Merker wrote: >> 4. NM Committee review -- The NMC has 7 days to review the received material and discuss the matter in private.

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! Richard Hartmann: > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > [...] >> Anthony Towns: > [...] > >>> Having the boss's decision reviewed by people who report directly to >>> the boss is kind of a dodgy structure; and people on the new member >>> committee will probably want to

Re: Censorship in Debian

2019-01-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 1/10/19 12:00 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, 2019-01-09 at 19:20 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 1/9/19 5:39 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 10:47:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: People seem to feel they're unreasonably put-upon by having to think

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:08:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 11:27:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > With this message we define a way to appeal a DAM action, > > I'm treating this as if it's a first draft and open to comment. > > > 1. Appealing DAM decisions > >

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM Ulrike Uhlig wrote: [...] > Anthony Towns: [...] > > Having the boss's decision reviewed by people who report directly to > > the boss is kind of a dodgy structure; and people on the new member > > committee will probably want to maintain good relations with DAM,

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 7:46 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > I don't intend to use devotee for that. I don't think it can > currently handle such votes, nor do I want to spend time > implementing that. I have used CIVS[1] for various projects and for work. It's not very polished, but usually works well.

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 09:43:27AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:53:38PM +0100, Karsten Merker wrote: > > > So while I agree there might be possible improvements in how the vote > > > goes, I > > > don't think just deleting that one sentence is it. > > > > I beg to

Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

2019-01-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:53:38PM +0100, Karsten Merker wrote: > > So while I agree there might be possible improvements in how the vote goes, > > I > > don't think just deleting that one sentence is it. > > I beg to differ :). I have taken a look at Ian's proposal with > using sqrt(people