On 14.04.20 16:01, Marco Möller wrote:
(...)
If Discourse could be configured towards these ideas, then it would be a
win for the communication (...)
Following the discussion, having investigated more how discourse
actually can be used, and also having received and read helpful answers
on
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 03:40:40PM +0200, Ansgar wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 08:56 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > The point of the trust levels is to distribute the moderation. Whatever
> > metric we come up with, it will involve a certain amount of actually
> > using the site, and engaging
Karsten Merker writes:
> I don't agree with your assessment that there has been hostility against
> Neil. There has been criticism - sometimes strongly worded criticism
> that one might perhaps call hostility - against replacing our
> mailinglists by something that quite a number of people in
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:12:21AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > Do we have to start by making it a mandatory switch? I don't feel consensus
> > to
> > move to discourse will be impossible in the long term but it's normal
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM wrote:
>
> Wow, just wow! I don't suppose you want to quote all of our off-list
> correspondence? (I don't even remember all of it, but ... wow!)
Again, it is all fake. There was no correspondence. I never wrote to
this person.
I'm sure I should not have responded to him (Felix) at all, but have learned
my lesson (at least, I hope so).
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 03:06:48 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 02:38:43 PM Felix Lechner wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:09 AM wrote:
> > > > I
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 02:38:43 PM Felix Lechner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:09 AM wrote:
> > > I think far better than moderation is learning. And that's what we're
> > > doing now... no?
> >
> > Thank you!
>
> That response is disingenuous. rhkra...@gmail.com just threatened me
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:09 AM wrote:
>
> > I think far better than moderation is learning. And that's what we're doing
> > now... no?
>
> Thank you!
That response is disingenuous. rhkra...@gmail.com just threatened me
off-list: "You'd like to have somebody out in the world angry [?]"
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 02:12:21 PM Dan Purgert wrote:
> I read it as "oh what was that old thing on the internet ..." and took
> it that you were trying to think of "Godwin's Law", but couldn't come up
> with the name in the midst of writing the email.
That is exactly right -- getting old
On 4/15/20 11:06 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 01:27:01 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:18:46AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
Was this message moderated? This author should be banned.
I think far better than moderation is learning. And that's
On 4/15/20 10:02 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended. See (or don't see) below.
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:49:56 AM Holger Levsen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:22:29AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
This must be one of those days when I feel
On Apr 15, 2020, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended. See (or don't see) below.
> [...]
> I sincerely apologize! I never intended my comment to express any
> approval of [...].
I read it as "oh what was that old thing on the internet ..." and took
it that you
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 01:27:01 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:18:46AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
> > Was this message moderated? This author should be banned.
>
> I think far better than moderation is learning. And that's what we're doing
> now... no?
Thank you!
Greetings,
* to...@tuxteam.de (to...@tuxteam.de) wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:18:46AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:06 AM wrote:
> > >
> > > To me, the idea of bringing up Hitler in a conversation is crazy /
> > > humorous,
> > > even though his actions are
writes:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:45:13PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> If there is sufficient pushback, I'll delete the instance, move on with
>> my life, and conclude that no one in Debian can possibly try and
>> innovate or do new things unless it is either:
>> * 100% optional for people,
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 5:48 AM Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 07:22:53AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > Would you be willing to list out which points it is from the given
> > "cons" category which you see as positives?
> >
> The point of this Discourse instance is to try and
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:18:46AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:06 AM wrote:
> >
> > To me, the idea of bringing up Hitler in a conversation is crazy / humorous,
> > even though his actions are far from humorous.
>
> Was this message moderated? This author
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:06 AM wrote:
>
> To me, the idea of bringing up Hitler in a conversation is crazy / humorous,
> even though his actions are far from humorous.
Was this message moderated? This author should be banned. May Hitler's
name be obliterated.
Kind regards
Felix Lechner
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 01:02:53PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended. See (or don't see) below.
[...]
> I sincerely apologize! I never intended my comment to express any approval
> of
> Hitler or a comparison of systemd to Hitler.
Happens. It's
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 01:02:53PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended. See (or don't see) below.
[...]
thanks.
> (I probably dug myself in deeper :-(
nah, I dont think so. You made some mistake and apologized, so at least I will
be glad to move on.
I sincerely apologize to anybody I offended. See (or don't see) below.
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:49:56 AM Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:22:29AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > This must be one of those days when I feel the need to respond to more
> > emails than I
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 03:49:56PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:22:29AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
> > (2) maybe bringing systemd into a discussion is (should be considered)
> > something just as disrepectful (harmful) as bringing Hitler into a
> >
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:22:29AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> This must be one of those days when I feel the need to respond to more emails
> than I usually do.
but why?
> (2) maybe bringing systemd into a discussion is (should be considered)
> something just as disrepectful (harmful)
The following is the text of an email that got generated as I tried to make a
comment on the bug report you filed. I'm not sure how soon the comment might
appear on the bug report, so I decided to add it here as a reply.
I guess I should add one thing, that I presume the people who deal with
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:16 AM Brian Gupta wrote:
>
> How do you feel about making discourse.debian.org ... available as
> an alternative for new lists? [We] can have another discussion later
> about migrating existing lists.
Yay, thanks for speaking up for a compromise!
Hi Brian,
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:12:21AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
> Do we have to start by making it a mandatory switch? I don't feel consensus to
> move to discourse will be impossible in the long term but it's normal for
> human
> beings to resist change, especially during a time of
On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 20:18 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> as we discuss about proper quoting, I would like to take the opportunity
> of Ansgar's email to note that each time a line starts with "From" in a
> plain text email, something in the pipeline that delivers emails (at
> least to me)
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 10:12:21 AM EDT Brian Gupta wrote:
...
> Do we have to start by making it a mandatory switch? I don't feel consensus
> to move to discourse will be impossible in the long term but it's normal
> for human beings to resist change, especially during a time of otherwise
>
This must be one of those days when I feel the need to respond to more emails
than I usually do.
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 08:14:41 AM The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 at 07:45, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > If there is sufficient pushback, I'll delete the instance, move on
> > with my life,
I reordered the quoted paragraphs to make it more consistent with bottom
posting.
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 07:24:03 AM Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:47:06PM +0200, Ansgar wrote:
> No, but it is required for things like knowing which posts in a topic is
> popular, so
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 07:22:53AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > Would you be willing to list out which points it is from the given
> > "cons" category which you see as positives?
> >
>
> I'd really rather not at this stage, as I'm
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 03:56:28 AM Neil McGovern wrote:
> Could you explain this please? I feel that having a notification (which
> only appears for people who regularly interact with the site) that
> someone is new to the community to be useful.
I am probably going to say more about this
On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 08:56 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> The point of the trust levels is to distribute the moderation. Whatever
> metric we come up with, it will involve a certain amount of actually
> using the site, and engaging with the community.
Looking at some topics on meta.discourse.org,
On 2020-04-15 11:21, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Yes. You can subscribe to categories, topics and tags (or combinations
> of them). For example, if you only ever care about m68k, you could watch
> #m68k and get a notification email for that across all categories.
This is pretty nice! Thank you!
(Also
On 2020-04-15 at 07:45, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 07:22:53AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Would you be willing to list out which points it is from the given
>> "cons" category which you see as positives?
>
> I'd really rather not at this stage, as I'm already seemingly
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:45:13PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
[...]
> If there is sufficient pushback, I'll delete the instance, move on with
> my life, and conclude that no one in Debian can possibly try and
> innovate or do new things unless it is either:
> * 100% optional for people, or
> *
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 07:22:53AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> Would you be willing to list out which points it is from the given
> "cons" category which you see as positives?
>
I'd really rather not at this stage, as I'm already seemingly having to
spend time talking about how Discourse is set
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:47:06PM +0200, Ansgar wrote:
> I'm not concerned about marking messages read after some time and
> keeping the view time in ephermal storage for that. But that's not
> what Discourse does: as described elsewhere it stores all read times
> persistently on the server;
On 2020-04-15 at 04:05, Neil McGovern wrote:
> I'm just going to correct things that are factually incorrect here,
> rather than label them as pros/cons. I feel a number of things you
> have put in the cons column are advantages.
I am surprised. Reviewing Ihor's post after Sam's response, with
Le Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:47:06PM +0200, Ansgar a écrit :
>
> >From my tries with Discourse, it just silently stripped all quotes out
> from the reply.
Hello everybody,
as we discuss about proper quoting, I would like to take the opportunity
of Ansgar's email to note that each time a line
On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 11:21 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:08:45AM +0200, Martin wrote:
> > On 2020-04-15 08:56, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > > Could I point out that the email program you wrote this message
> > > in is
> > > doing the same?
> >
> > Could you elaborate on
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:08:45AM +0200, Martin wrote:
> On 2020-04-15 08:56, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > Could I point out that the email program you wrote this message in is
> > doing the same?
>
> Could you elaborate on that? Ansgar seems to use
> "User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.1-1"
> (While I'm
On 2020-04-15 08:56, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Could I point out that the email program you wrote this message in is
> doing the same?
Could you elaborate on that? Ansgar seems to use
"User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.1-1"
(While I'm using mutt.) How do such UAs track reading behaviour?
> Quoting does
Hi Ansgar,
To start with, I want to say that I found your mail to be quite
frustrating. I feel it may have been more constructive to phrase
concerns as questions, rather than stating them as facts, and ascribing
motivations or inferances which simply aren't correct. That said, I'll
try and reply
I'm just going to correct things that are factually incorrect here,
rather than label them as pros/cons. I feel a number of things you have
put in the cons column are advantages.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 01:31:56PM -0700, Ihor Antonov wrote:
> - Not 100% GPL - some javascript scripts loaded into
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