On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:11:01AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
* Using a different Closes: name, which just sidetracks the issue
if every derivative have to use a different name, this does not
scale. (Example: Maemo uses Fixes: instead of Closes: [1],
and there's a proposal in Ubuntu
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 08:45:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Matt Zimmerman writes (Re: Fundamental flaw in bug reporting system):
We want users who don't know how to write a good bug report to become users
who do, not get discouraged and not contribute at all.
This idea is based
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:16:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Adam McKenna writes (Re: Fundamental flaw in bug reporting system):
Frustrating the user could lead to an even poorer quality bug report than
would have been given in the first place.
It works because it acts as a filter.
On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 10:04:51AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
That's because contributor has different connotations to originator,
and many people did not like the associations between themselves and Ubuntu
that contributor conjured up.
Exactly my point; there are differences of opinion
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 10:17:25PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 11:03:19PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Debian has a much more direct and special relationship to Ubuntu than Linus
or RMS; I'm sure you can recognize that.
Though I note the Ubuntu home page is titled
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:14:03PM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote:
The Ubuntu site says that ubuntu means I am what I am because of who we
all are. If Ubuntu is ready to live up that slogan and publicly
acknowledge that it is what it is *because* of its Debian origins,
rather than despite
Please do not feed the troll.
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:50:27AM -0700, Jim Bodkikns (Dakotacom) wrote:
ALL of the servers chosen to be reinstalled with a debian distro have
high performance raid controllers and fail installs due to UDEV issues. (I
hate that redhat handles this - Im not really a fan of redhat). I have
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, Maintainer
means An individual or group of people primarily responsible for the
on-going well being of a package. As I understand it, in Ubuntu, the MOTUs
have
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most of
the packages in universe are maintained only by the Debian maintainer, and
The thing
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a
closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a
conversation.
I didn't add the CC to ubuntu-motu, nor the one to debian-project. I've
merely
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 07:13:31AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian,
Maintainer
means
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:31:44AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
All you'll get is the loud minority having a whinge then, no matter what the
outcome.
It will certainly beat the hell out of continuing this thread.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 02:15:15PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:03:05 -0800, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Do you realize that Xandros, who maintains a Debian derivative which they
box and sell for US$50-$129 per copy, leaves the Maintainer field
unmodified
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:36:18AM +0100, Sven Mueller wrote:
(dropping debian-devel, this is really not a technical issue)
Matt Zimmerman wrote on 17/01/2006 20:44:
1. Most of the source packages in Ubuntu are inherited from Debian
unchanged (example: tetex-base).
False
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 05:29:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs
don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are recompiled.
Actually, binary-only NMUs
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:45:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:07:40AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
There have been no responses which would indicate what we should do.
Actually, there've been lots, some of them are just contradictory.
There was a lot of
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:58:28AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
What I find very dissapointing is that mdz asked on debian-devel twice
for a decision from debian how ubuntu should handle the maintainer Field
without any luck:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:01:42PM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:25:40AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
[snip]
There will always be differing personal preferences, but in spite of these,
there are times when an organization needs to take an official position
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:46:52PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Anthony Towns wrote:
What I find very dissapointing is that mdz asked on debian-devel twice
for a decision from debian how ubuntu should handle the maintainer Field
without any luck:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:37:15PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In my opinion, it's much more practical and reasonable for there to be an
agreement on consistent treatment of all packages, than for each Debian
derivative to try to please
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 03:07:25PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
You're already rebuilding the package, which I expect entails possible
Depends: line changes and other things which would pretty clearly
'normally' entail different Debian package revision numbers; changing
the Maintainer field at
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 12:37:47PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amount to
Debian derivatives being
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:36:51PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
Sounds like an excellent opportunity to hold a poll about:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/12/msg00216.html
Please send proposed ballot(-items) to me personally, and I'll set it up
tomorrow or so.
Thank you.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:34:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Matt Zimmerman:
It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amount to
Debian derivatives being obliged to fork *every source
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:09:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Notice that what you say, in response to what has been asked over and
over, is my opinion is that changing the Maintainer field on
otherwise-unmodified source packages is too costly for derivatives in
general.
But you say
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 06:19:32PM -0600, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 11:44:48AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
It is important, in particular, to account for the fact that Ubuntu is not
the only Debian derivative, and that proposals like yours would amount to
Debian
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:05:35PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That simply isn't true, and taken at face value, it's insulting, because you
attribute malicious intent.
Um, I have said nothing about your intent.
I think you are desperate
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:58:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If that were true, you wouldn't be having this conversation with me. It is
costing me an unreasonable amount of time to deal with this trivial issue,
and I've spent
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:43:51AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
[Obviously, if someone knows of such a resource, feel free to modify
the why debian factoid, or perhaps create a why not debian factoid
on the bot that points to a website or something that goes into this
topic in depth.]
I don't
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 09:15:00PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 01:09:19PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Fortunately, that is not the case with Canonical.
Yes it is. Fork and forget is Canonical's modus operandi (despite all
the PR claiming otherwise).
Being
On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:22:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Being in a position of judging the facts without preconceptions, I can
point to plenty more that aren't.
The fact that not _everything_ has been submitted yet still doesn't support
your (exaggerated) argument. That figure will
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 08:35:51PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:32PM +0100, Pete van der Spoel wrote:
Or is the whole Ubuntu thing (where I understand Mark Shuttleworth has hired
a large number of the senior Debian developers) considered to be the
solution to
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 12:14:48AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less
expectation than they do their fellow
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:03:42AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:38:31AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
To the contrary, it is equalitarians that treat people inhumanely;
expecting too much of some
EOT. *plonk*
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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Jonathan Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women.
[...]
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:03:36PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:44:24AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Jonathan Walther [EMAIL
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 05:08:30PM -0800, Jenia Naverniouk wrote:
I am a new linux user and I'm wondering how long it takes for
new programs such as kde 3.2 or gimp 1.3 to be downloadable
using the apt-get install command.
It depends. When in doubt, ask the maintainer.
(gimp1.3 is already
Hi, I represent the Gentoo project, and we are very interested in
participating in the vendor-sec mailing list [...]
Based on how this sort of thing has happened in the past, the correct way to
go about this is to send a message to vendor-sec itself, rather than to (for
example) Debian. The
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 03:52:43PM -0500, Dave Seff wrote:
Is this site down? I am timing out while trying to apt-get the CVS
pachage.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2004/msg5.html
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:08:08PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote:
Due to googling, and information from an anonymous source, I have
reason to believe that I am listed in the variable @gFuckheads. Needless
to say, I would like to be removed from that array if my name is present
there. It is
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 11:31:23PM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote:
BTW, there's no need to Cc: me; I'm subscribed.
Mail-Followup-To: Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED],
debian-project@lists.debian.org
(on both your messages)
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:56:06AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:15:37PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Can you elaborate on the reasons why you feel that Debian is not
suitable for the recipients of these recommendations?
If you install stable and activate
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:53:20AM +1000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
In addition, it bugs me that we can't recommend Debian
officially at RUS-CERT. Relying on Debian introduces many
risks. Some of them are inherent to the project, some can be
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 09:53:52AM -0500, Harlan Blackstone wrote:
HOw can I obtain the CDs for Debian and run Unix from the book Just enough
Unix?
You can find information about obtaining Debian CDs here:
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 10:22:37PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
I suggest that two more types of security advisories are being issued by
Debian Security team:
Are you volunteering?
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:16:42AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Thanks for this :) It's inspiring to see that Debian started out as it
goes on. It is worrying ,however, that it was intended to ease the burden
for those without 'Net access. (As someone downloading nearly 3MB of
package
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:15:25PM -0700, Farideh Sherbaf wrote:
Dear Linux Developer and Distributor,
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Farideh Sherbaf and I am
your contact for EPSON Worldwide Developer Relations for scanners and
All-In-One (Multifunction) products. The
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:58:28AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, I propound you to make the detailed classification of packages,
like in the International Patent Classification (IPC) or US Patent
Classification (you can browse it at http://www.uspto.gov).
There is work in progress
On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 12:07:33PM +0100, Rob Adamson wrote:
Well, that is the aim. IMHO the version of Samba distributed with woody
is buggy to the point of being unsuitable for professional use.
[...]
woody does not work out of the box as a Samba server, and never will.
This is indeed only
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:54:07AM +0200, Felix Steiner wrote:
3. Debian: Took the whole lot of installation-steps but didn't arrive at an
end. However -- it crashed at the end.
The thing to do when you have a problem is to file a bug report.
debian-project is not the place for bug reports,
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 01:24:18AM +0200, Benoit Peccatte wrote:
After such an answer I thing Felix will never come back and try free
software. Not that your answer was not correct, it was. But he complains
about things not working automatically and the only answer we can give him
is take
On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 08:53:31AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
wrote:
A big part of the spam can be trivially blocked at the point where it enters
the Debian servers, using DNSRBLs and other sensible restrictions. When it
enters my mailer, it can not be trivially blocked as
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:50:43PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
What's wrong with our mail system? Why can't the debian admins blacklist
a well known spammer, or even better use a reputable DNSBL like SBL?
I asked the same questions to the debian admins but nobody ever replied,
I'm sick of
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 04:31:46PM +0800, Andrew Buckeridge wrote:
Build times would understate performance of RISC which runs compiled C
applications much faster than interpreters or compilers, however these
would still be worthwhile.
In what relevant way is gcc different from other compiled
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:06:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
-A *DRAFT* joint recommendation of the the Technical Committee, the
-Project Leader and the Bug Tracking System Administrators.
+A *DRAFT* joint recommendation of the the Technical Committee, and the
+Project Leader.
As long
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 06:29:18PM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote:
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:16:31PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
If you can, refer the other Developer to some documentation saying
when they should and should not do something, do so.
Is this a correct english sentence now? I guess
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 12:48:13AM -0500, Kathleen Rolen wrote:
LA Express, Milton Smith does not deliver Debian CD's after receiving payment.
It would be nice if you de-link their site.
Ray Rolen
I don't see any LA Express or Milton Smith on the CD vendor list. Does
anyone know what this
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:49:57PM +0200, Henrik Morsing wrote:
I've heard about a Debian/BSD OS. Is it possible to buy this on a CD set??
http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/
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On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 10:45:34AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Le Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:09:36PM +1000, Glenn McGrath ?crivait:
I wish i had found Junichi's guide on creating library packages before i
created one. How about including some of, or at least mentioning his
guide, its at
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 06:13:51AM +, JORDAN POWERS wrote:
Hi.
My name is Lance,
i would like to keep this simple for both of us.
I would like to have an email address with your site.
for example [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...
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Subject: Re: Installing .deb packages on RedHat Linux
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:33:56PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 04:22:00PM -0500, Alex Leytes
(please follow-up to debian-user@lists.debian.org)
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:32:37PM -0800, David W. Walker wrote:
Can you provide information about Multimedia support distributed with
Debian
Can you comment on what multimedia features are built into the kernel,
provided multimedia
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:18:53PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:04:33PM +0100, Theo Houtman wrote:
[whining about the lack of Linux 2.4.x in stable]
[...]
special to do that (but certain things like modutils and
ipchains/netfilter may need updating, check the list
On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 11:34:10PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are also architectures for which there is no debian-*-changes
list (such as s390). I think the idea has merit, and the buildd's
should be fixed to send their messages
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:23:29PM -0400, Mauro Romano Trajber wrote:
i have some questions about woody.
*woody will be ready for use(stable) in 2001?
Probably yes, but there is no committed release date, and no guarantee.
*kernel 2.4.x
Yes, it will definitely be included, but the
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