er anyone wants to do it, changing doesn't
appear simple.
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dd a sentence in this question like “If you feel
uncomfortable to answer it, feel free to skip it and move on to the
next one”. Would that help?
I think the whole questions I mentioned should have something above that
the combination of the answers may make it really easy to identify the
person answering.
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d be
enough to truthfully answer A04 (archive, new-maintainer, salsa) and
confirm it with A05a putting OFTC...
B01c only loses when someone works for a real big company.
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gmail any second to early. The
faster, the better. But that doesn't aaffect your salsa access at all.
:)
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that, we would be disabling gmail
completly, it just sucks to allow it.
And your mail address triggers spam filtering *easy*.
You can try catching an admin in #salsa on OFTC right when you try to
register again, and avoid rejection that way. Or just don't use gmail.
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too, you would have mailed Planet Admin.
And a note for the rest of the thread: Norbert was *not* "banned from
contributing or communicating with Debian", he got changed to Debian
Maintainer instead of Developer. Which is why he still was on Planet.
What he makes out of that is up to him.
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On 16425 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
you may have noticed that we had a bit of a downtime with Salsa
recently. What follows is a short summary on how it came to be, why it
took so long, and a bit about the future of Salsa.
As I got a *huge* flamewar out of this with exactly 0 responses
intain, and
in general just keep one huge git forge running, please feel free to
mail us at salsa-ad...@debian.org. We also hang out in #salsa on
irc.oftc.net, though that is mainly one of our public support channels.
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[1] Sorry for that requirement, but with Salsa
intain, and
in general just keep one huge git forge running, please feel free to
mail us at salsa-ad...@debian.org. We also hang out in #salsa on
irc.oftc.net, though that is mainly one of our public support channels.
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[1] Sorry for that requirement, but with Salsa
my side but made me curious, so feel free
to
take plenty of time before answering.
Not an accident, actually documented behaviour:
https://db.debian.org/forward.html
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ut to your close circle of friends, and the Community Team.
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Enrico Zini
Jonathan Wiltshire
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On 16087 March 1977, Martin Meredith wrote:
Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge
of it at the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was a
need for something to be done related to the software/server (I can’t
quite remember) - which is where Joerg
matter how wrong you think his position is (and
*everyone* here agrees that that view has no place in Debian).
It especially makes it wrong when one wants to be someone who helps
others with their conduct. Lead by example. That mail definitely lead
the wrong way.
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If the autobuilder
They state that we welcome everyone, no matter how they identify. They
state that we are respectful. Anyone who is unable to transfer that to
"Use however they want to be called" sure should rethink their
involvement in Debian.
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On 15563 March 1977, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
[ TL;DR: the "default mail handling" option in LDAP now actually does
something by default :) and additional optional checks are available. ]
[...]
Adam
wrangling exim on behalf of DSA
Thank you!
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e over package)
While for bugs its the BTS, not some whatever system somewhere.
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e past, but has definitely lost its value long ago.
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lanet-master machine, read the planet
logs and spot stuff like NXDOMAIN or HTTP 500/404/... errors, feel
free to remove it (or make it a MR), with a log msg along "Removed,
NXDOMAIN", so its clear why it got removed.
- For anything else think twice if it needs direct action, if not, mail
planet admin.
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leaderless may sound good, the project isn't
setup for that. There is a whole bunch of things going via the leader
that is either hard to delegate or impossible to do so. It would need
quite a bunch of changes to the constitution to enable that.
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tion period then the
nomination period is extended for an additional week, repeatedly if
necessary.
--8<---cut here---end--->8---
So basically we are now having one more nomination period week.
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ppens to install Debian.
[1] There is one tool named popcon. That does actually send data our
way. That is opt-in and you can find more information at
https://popcon.debian.org/
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to use for commercial
use, but requires to fulfill certain points (like providing source,
patches, ... - depending on the exact involved licenses).
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On 15277 March 1977, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Thank you very much, Joerg (and DAM team) for coming up with this
proposal. I have just returned to work after a month off, and my brain
isn't yet 100% wired to be productive again (WAY off 100%, I'd say),
but this really looks like a good
:
[1] For one exception, I am still missing my "Serious problems with
Mr. Jaspert" thread, waiting for years now and still not got it, silly you
all.
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n't think just deleting that one sentence is it. But I'm not an expert in
voting systems, so am happy for any input. Could go with a quorum (and then
count abstains for it) and requiring a (3 quarter?) majority of voters?! Could
go with something else? Somebody come up with a nice thing, please. :)
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that this may change.
Thats a point already added.
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days here. That is, the offer is valid until
2019-01-21, that should be enough time to decide if one wants to do it or not.
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rther harass the reporters.
[5] It involves keyring-maint and DSA, none of which we can or should
dictate timelines to. It is expected to be measured in days, not weeks.
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ld speak against the constitution, as that
explicitly mentions DPL not having stuff to do with accounts
(8.1.2).
I'm not sure we really want to have people delegated just to
review DAM appeals...
No need for that. Footnote 3 of the expulsion procedure mail shows
one body we have.
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not going to take the bait to start a philosophical/religious
discussion on the merits of short/concise commit messages :-)
But but, I was short, I only used 4242 words why I added a comma
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ine.
And who says a commi message is short? Write a novel, if you want.
:)
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messages... Also, if you just comment it out,
leave a comment line right above it, shouldnt be hard.
But then, usually there is the policy to modify YOUR OWN (see "How
do I add..."), and then a "if you advocate, blabla, you may add
theirs".
So it shouldnt be a common action for many to remove others.
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bans or
upload bans that may well be just a "right, do it".
Obviously when that team goes to one of the gatekeepers it is expected
they tried all the usual "easy" actions of trying to solve the problems
at hand already, and the gatekeeper shouldnt redo all of those steps.
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c better, and the debian
group being there already.
And no, I do not have a perfect and nice suggestion on how to do it
best. Though maybe just presenting a list of possibilities at the signup
page (or on the wiki), to give people a common set of ideas on how they
could go on to name them?!
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ty with a whole
load of different views on life and all its matters. Keep in mind that
Planet may be read by all of us, so try to not be demeaning in your
writings).
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d which team at
https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
which does list more for Planet than just mako, as well as more for
anti-harrassment than Laura.
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ut if the post fits.
And no, the DebConf CoC does not fit Planet.
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but then we sort it out with another trust organisation, so its
good as a first contact point anyways.
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Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos.
(missing "add"):
> /msg chanserv access #debian-WHATEVERCHANNEL add @debian-chanop CHANOP
> /msg chanserv access #debian-WHATEVERCHANNEL add @debian-master MASTER
Yes, thanks.
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and yes, the ftpmasters are not the most clueful people
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> As this potentially affects a large number of channels, I'd appreciate
> any constructive feedback from the project before implementing.
I'm all for it. Those brainless kids that don't understand that "do the
work to keep status quo if you dislike the decision&
ud" stuff, but it might do enough
for what is suggested to have.
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Some NM:
"Essential: Yes" -- useful for a message when you do apt-get remove bash:
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> - the service's design does not raise security or scalability concerns
I disagree on that, official services should run under project
overview. So far that the project can take it over and move it, should
all of the team go away. Active team today doesn't mea
be some things, but sure not
non-functional.
[1] Though that had some bits to do with the timing and circumstances
around it, but its pretty normal to first have things decided in
team and then have DPL (and project) informed.
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Die Dicke zum Spiegel: Spieglein, Spiegl
I can
only base
my observation on what I see of DSAs works and the old delegation text.
Which
doesn't look like the role really changed? May I ask what I miss?
Thanks.
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(and
intended to stay for now). Its an exclusive thing for some people, who
fit
"companies with a DD and at least 10 other people", so none else gets
anything from there.
Not the self-employed DDs, not those working in smaller companies.
Sounds bad. Why do those smaller ones matter less
to use other types of
> distribution?
Yeah, so why have you choosen Debian? Did you roll a dice?
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Contrary to common belief, Arch:i386 is *not* the same as Arch: any.
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option to disable any display of such a picture
for my name. What are people thinking trying to assign random color shit
to my name?
This addition should be turned off until its thought out much better.
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Your mother seems really upset about something. I better go have a talk
wit
t are the crucial changes that made CC BY 2.5
>>> Free
>>> while CC BY 2.0 is non-Free ?
>> Alternatively, if we can not find a significant difference of freedom between
>> CC BY 2.5, and CC BY 2.0, how about accepting CC BY 2.0 in Debian ?
We don't want 2.5 in
t least have that direct "payback" :) ).
> For those willing to play with it, the associated Git repository seems
> to be at http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/licenses.git/
Yep.
> Joerg, it would be nice to rebuild it adding the repolist plugin
> http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/repo
to deal with mistakes on the list ? Do we have sufficient volunteers with
> sufficient legal knowledge to maintain such list ? Maybe this part should be
> dealt with further on debian-legal.
A mailing-list with undefined (and lots of non-DD) people can not
seriously work on a list as intended her
ead / whatever-one-names it with a
group of volunteers together. Exact details of how that works out are to
be found, but im sure we can. If there are volunteers for it...
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You're in good shape for being a Debian, with a SAP background
... anything has to look good from t
gh release.
Right. So again: Noone of ftp* thinks that it is any kind of useful to
issue CVEs for this. Quite the contrary. But if someone really wants to
use their time for it: go for it.
But can we stop discussing it? Just do it if you want it.
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>D. You've just heard about thi
how assume) that those who use dak
are following at least debian-...@lists.debian.org.
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making a scene.'
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ber of other issues too. For details there: read the commits. :)
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Naturally; worms that don't know what they are doing end up as
fish bait, instead of getting invited into weird math experiments.
-- Lars Wirzenius
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think so.
Also, most other archives I know off are either putting files by ftp
directly where dak can read them or use scp or similar to get them
there. Both cases need no queued.
Obviously I don't know for sure.
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What is a wedding? Webster’s Dictionary defines a wedding as ‘
nd while the main archive got it turned back on around noon UTC,
the other archives just got it back. So all back to normal, nothing to
see, go on fixing RC bugs please. :)
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db.oftc.net?
* Maulkin thinks Ganneff is doing evil ldap stuff again
It's called the Ganneff fingerprint
On 13051 March 1977, MJ Ray wrote:
>> maybe as a mail thread during a quieter period.
> Anyone like to suggest when that quieter period might be?
About a month after a DebConf ended.
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Hee hee! Look at this country! 'You-are-gay.'
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I'm convinced that the ftpmaster team are ninjas -- they do their stuff,
but they do it quietly and behind the scenes, so everybody thinks
they're asleep at the wheel...)
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with a
is a means to get to know more about people without attaching a
rfid chip and a surveillance camera to each DD. And if I want to know
what such a DD does in Debian - I have dozens of other services for that
already, so yeah, add more personal things to planet... :)
[1] sod it, im not running in
s you
ha(ve|d). theater, friends, webcam.
I removed those cached files and planet now thinks you no longer have
them.
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It’s not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but
somehow I managed to fit in eight hours of TV a day.
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ly, as it will be parsed by dak. So different place to deal with.
And no, none of us is insane enough to change .commands files or
anything else in debianqueued.
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Our lives are in the hands of men no smarter than you or I. Many of them
incompetent boobs. I know this because I’
send the notices to them anymore, but we store them all, so/as
they could come and ask for them all.
And technically it would need to be "just the NEW queue" in the US, but
thats not entirely easy to do.
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[...] when an Idea and a developer get laid, code awakes to the world,
or worse
with/without it, does it change anything?
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> Or write yourself a DFSG-free replacement for that piece of software.
Using the copy and paste method from the old source, obscured by
irrelevant changes.
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e can easily break sudo one should really know wth one is
doing.
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ie: are we getting a nice connection? :)
* gwolf silently reads Maulkin's question
netinstall over 56kbps modem
Maulkin: yes, they hope to have drums installed at the hotel
by then so they can commun
given that this is the second major instance of a similar
issue. We therefore ask the DPL to consider raising the issue with the
project as a whole, most likely after any initial discussions with the
GNOME foundation have concluded.
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Trying is the first step
te omission?
Missed. Put into medium now.
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linux takes shit and turns it into something useful.
windows takes something useful and turns it into shit
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reduce the config file even more - more in the database
documentation
integrate smart upload server (SUS)
dm for bpo/security
Archive maint. issues
discuss long term Java plans (code duplication detector, Maven repo)
decruft old packages from stable-security and testing-security
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00:00:1
stands. Just follow the
list for updates, if there any)
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look i can't afford to to any more work without becoming a DD
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re fine with the occasional post sharing which
projects you like and would "Flattr", but when you do that please make
sure to not link the Flattr image from Flattr servers (see webbugs
above) but from your own resources.
This holds equally true for image links to
Facebook/Twitter/delicious
yed to everyone from a Debian resource *is*.
> Also I am making money by net-installing Debian from Debian-owned servers
> (for my customers), is this a DMUP violation? I don't think so.
You are using the mirrors. For whatever your own side. You are not
pushing a "pay me" li
o provide a link for people that like my posts to support my
> work. It's not very intrusive IMO.
Its very much jumping into the view of any planet reader.
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I think it depends on the amount of it. A one time "hey, i wrote this
book" / "hey, im on flattr, in case you care..." and such should be ok.
Regularly having this at every post -> not.
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[...]
While Debian is certainly
look at d-d-a's archive and think about those mails on
> planet.
> What do you think?
So what?
Those who mail to d-d-a and think it important can easily post it to
$anyotherplace, not just planet, too?
And/or contact that Debian news thingie to include it.
And DPN
And whatnot.
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? What?
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joshk: okay. I've manned a Debian booth before. I need to give
you a quick training session.
"So, when's sarge going to be released?"
"So, when's sarge going to be released?"
"So, when's sarge going to be releas
anywhere.
If you are up to it, I am reachable on irc.debian.org as usual (try
#debian-dak), or you can show up at debian-...@lists.debian.org, both
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Lisa, you’re a Buddhist, so you believe in reincarnation. Eventually,
Snowball will be reborn as a higher life form… like a snowman.
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ding", Jan Hauke Rahm suggested to
>> untag them, if a package get's rejected from NEW. There's already
>> a patch floating arround, which needs to be reviewed and merged.
> I assume you will also take over automatically adding pending tags to
> packages in NEW?
follow on our road to get more data into
projectb. In this case its "what you can find in Contents files -> you
find in projectb" combined with "we generate the files out of there".
(The next step then will be to do the same with Packages/Sources)
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[...] when an
ually ensures the general settings stay valid.
> Anyway, I was wondering if there's some documentation about this interface
> or if there's only the source code. I will have to look into this for
> the CUT related suites so I might well just ask for a starter.
package version
n a dak command on it, until the time it is finally removed
From the archive. That is, initial processing in the unchecked queue
(start with cron.unchecked from config/debian/), placing into NEW,
acceptance from there, installation into the archive, possibly moving to
a different suite, getting remove
track
these packages and should also make it easier for the release team
to review (and even veto) these packages during a freeze.
21. untag pending bugs if a package is rejected
As the bugs fixed in packages in the NEW queue are currently
(semi-) automatically taged "pending"
ps the right to refuse account name changes if we aren't
convinced it is needed. (Sorry, it is not a good reason that you now
dislike the movie which inspired your account name).
If the request is granted, DAM will then initiate the neccessary steps
with DSA.
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Snow-Man: Please don&
has
been, then we will happily make any such ones, yes. Sanity is better
than that.
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Some NM:
Essential packages are required to provide all of their core
functionality even when unconfigured, hence they cannot require
libc. Libc therefore is not an essential package.
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ats cos rra did take my comments (on irc, when the idea of that bof
came up) into the BoF, and I *currently* dont remember stuff in the
thread changing much on it.
Added to agenda, can at least reread the thread then :)
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<40293f1b.8130...@news.individual.de>
Windows ME? Mit 1
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[http://www.youam.net/stuff/info...-hosting.de/server-info.php]
"[...] und der Arbeitsspeicher recht schnell und hoch ist."
(Wie hoch? 2cm, 4cm? Am besten an die Decke nageln, was?
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n see what to do.
(Note im travelling tuesday -> wednesday.
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http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_win_an_argument
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even be ok to
build on .d.o machines (provided it doesnt interrupt more important
things, like anything else build :) ).
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see a bounce to a dak mail due to a broken maintainer
address, its an RC bug (or a reject from NEW). Granted, dak is
whitelisted pretty widely nowadays, but it happens often enough. Valid
mails to maintainer addresses should get through.
So in your case an RC bug sounds good. :)
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I&
(1261295521)
Current action: scripts
Action start: Sun Dec 20 09:12:08 UTC 2009 (1261300328)
It tells when dinstall started, what the current action is and when that
one started. In case you want to do some math on the dates it is also
provided as an epoch.
Have fun.
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Some AM after
. Would just turn out as another planet then,
like the language ones.
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>From a NM after doing the license stuff:
I am glad that I am not a lawyer! What a miserable way to earn a living.
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If thats true for news.debian.net, ie the "published by" line is in the
rss feed too, fine, add.
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spread project, such a group
should reflect this.
[2] Sure they will have to have a way to get out of pointless
discussions, but Im sure we can find/define a process for it.
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I wrote this thing but it really sucks
Awesome! We will release it asap
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very users system but never on the maintainers?)
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[2.6.15.4 direkt nach 2.6.15.3]
Linus muss Gentooler hassen.
wieso?
Naja, die dürften ihre optimierten Kernel gerade fertig gebaut
haben und müssen jetzt aus prompter Versionitis auf das
Ausprobieren verzich
host their own
repository or just put the .deb wherever upstream distributes their
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You're in good shape for being a Debian, with a SAP background
... anything has to look good from there...
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uid entries for keyring from LDAP
> -U, --generate-users FMTgenerate uid entries from keyring as FMT
> Debian distribution maintenance software,
> on behalf of the Keyring maintainers
HAHA.
Fixed. No new keys anyways.
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* Maulkin thinks Ganneff is doi
ing damn wrong.
> I'd suggest you stop cursing, please calm down *before* hitting the
> send button.
He is right.
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Deine Größe macht mich klein
<@joerg> doll
du darfst mein Bestrafer sein
(!) Wrecktum was kicked from #german by joerg [ok]
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was that Debian is allowed
> to redistribute the stuff, which kind of makes sense ;)
Its still that. Allowing people to use it is a nice thing, but strictly
speaking its not needed for it.
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man
the AMD64 camp is not helped by the list of people supporting it
when nerode is o
depending on them. If the
press is dumb enough to take a story out of a non-announce list, then
fine, idiots everywhere. But that shouldn't have stopped you from
talking to *the* *project* first, instead of to press monkeys (our
press@ not meant with that).
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Some NM:
Debian is
> not when the clock ticks. it's completely a non-sense, and it's
> generating only bad feelings in developers and users.
It would be so nice if people could simply behave and keep civil
discussion tone.
On 11826 March 1977, Marc Haber wrote:
> I do sincerel
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