Chris Bannister writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations
handling process"):
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:13:23PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > If a CoC complaint is made, and the decisionmakers consider the
> > complaint unjustified, the complai
also sprach Ian Jackson [2014-09-04 05:15
-0700]:
> I am not angry or upset with the performance of Debconf organisers
> or the antiharassment team. Rather, I feel that they were not
> provided with the tools and support required to do their job.
Right, and we are also new to this. We should no
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:13:23PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
> If a CoC complaint is made, and the decisionmakers consider the
> complaint unjustified, the complaint should not be referred elsewhere
> or escalated. Instead, the decision (complaint considered not
> justified, no action will be t
martin f krafft writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations
handling process"):
> also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]:
> > The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was
> > handled was entirely my fault.
>
> I do
Steve Langasek writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations
handling process"):
> In the particular incident prompting this thread, [...]
I started writing a response to this. But I found that my response,
no matter how carefully phrased, read like an attack on the peo
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> It's also possible that, as a matter of course, we should ensure that the
> antiharassment team responds timely in writing to all complaints, even if
> there is an out-of-band follow-up.
Following up in the same media used for a complaint i
also sprach Patty Langasek [2014-09-03 16:57 -0700]:
> The way this particular Code of Conduct Violation Complaint was
> handled was entirely my fault.
I don't think there is any point in thinking about fault here. Go
ahead and disagree with me, but the more important thing for me is
that we lear
On 9/4/14, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness writes:
>
>> More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
>
>> Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
>> to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
>
>> Are we that timid, that dominated by the al
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> More facts trickle out. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.
> Any chance someone could crush an egg shell already and just post a link
> to the brouhaha? Or summarise the events?
> Are we that timid, that dominated by the almighty COC, that facts are no
> longer po
On 9/4/14, Patty Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
>> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
>> and Debian teams should develop a process document whic
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
> and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
> responsible would use to guid
On Wed, Sep 03 2014, Steve Langasek wrote:
> The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe
> space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change
> in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender
> is no longer at the con
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The
> Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC
> and Debian teams should develop a process document which those
> responsible would use to guid
On Wed, 2014-08-20 08:21:41 +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-08-19 16:12:00 +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:27:28AM +0200, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
>>> As part of the 15th Debian Conference in Portland, Oregon, USA there
>>> will be OpenPGP (p
On Tue, 2014-08-19 16:12:00 +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:27:28AM +0200, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
>> As part of the 15th Debian Conference in Portland, Oregon, USA there
>> will be OpenPGP (pgp/gpg) keysignings. If you intend to participate in
>> the DebConf14
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:27:28AM +0200, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote:
> As part of the 15th Debian Conference in Portland, Oregon, USA there
> will be OpenPGP (pgp/gpg) keysignings. If you intend to participate in
> the DebConf14 keysignings, please send your ascii armored public key as
> expla
"Paul R. Tagliamonte" writes:
> I think Debian FR made a bunch -
> http://www.enventelibre.org/documents/autocollant-debian
>
> 8 cm x 10 cm. - 4" x 4". They're prefect for the back of a thinkpad.
Looks like the one on my notebook is actually about 4.5" tall .. I don't
remember where it came fro
I think Debian FR made a bunch -
http://www.enventelibre.org/documents/autocollant-debian
8 cm x 10 cm. - 4" x 4". They're prefect for the back of a thinkpad.
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> Bdale Garbee writes:
>
>> Don Armstrong writes:
>>
>>> I think these are going t
On Wed, 07 May 2014, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> Bdale Garbee writes:
> > Don Armstrong writes:
> >
> >> I think these are going to be closer to US$5-10 per for larger ones, but
> >> I'm interested in getting a few of them myself.
> >
> > I work with a US supplier of cut vinyl decals for the Altus Metr
Bdale Garbee writes:
> Don Armstrong writes:
>
>> I think these are going to be closer to US$5-10 per for larger ones, but
>> I'm interested in getting a few of them myself.
>
> I work with a US supplier of cut vinyl decals for the Altus Metrum logo,
> I'll ask him for a quote on plain swirls in
Don Armstrong writes:
> I think these are going to be closer to US$5-10 per for larger ones, but
> I'm interested in getting a few of them myself.
I work with a US supplier of cut vinyl decals for the Altus Metrum logo,
I'll ask him for a quote on plain swirls in a size or two.
Bdale
pgprPL5
This point makes an awful lot of sense. Is it actually against an official
policy to consider (not accept, mind you, since it was not actually accepted)
an anonymous donation with strings attached? While it may seem that certain
things are "common sense" we really cannot hold people to unstated
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Insider manipulation of DC13
site selection, and apparent coverup"):
> On the more general matter, that you are clearly still very much
> interested in, you probably have noticed that I didn't change my mind
> (i.e. un-appr
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Insider manipulation of DC13
site selection, and apparent coverup"):
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:54:05AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > However, that DC13 team member did tell me that the DPL was fully
> > informed, wit
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:54:05AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> However, that DC13 team member did tell me that the DPL was fully
> informed, with all the details, before the DPL approved the DC13
> budget.
Please name names or facts to support this or, alternatively, drop it.
- My budget approval
Le mercredi 05 décembre 2012 à 08:50 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> Sure it is. Josselin was refering to outsiders as people who neither
> read the brochure nor have visited the location and neither were
> involved deeply in the organisation of a DebConf (so people as himself).
Thanks for conf
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:38:42AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > If other people find that it *had almost nothing to do* with DebConf,
> > please tell us.
>
> As currently planned, Debconf 13 has nothing to do with a conference you
> would ask sponsorship to a fortune 500 company for.
You me
On 13051 March 1977, MJ Ray wrote:
>> maybe as a mail thread during a quieter period.
> Anyone like to suggest when that quieter period might be?
About a month after a DebConf ended.
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Dear Giacomo,
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 08:27:18AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 10:36 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Is the “outsiders” word also meaning to describe people who were asked
> > for sponsorship and discovered later that the brochure they were sent
> > had almost
Le mercredi 05 décembre 2012 à 08:27 +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a
écrit :
> For a lot of people, your writing seems out of context.
> The sponsorship brochure is linked in:
> http://debconf13.debconf.org/helpus.xhtml
>
> If other people find that it *had almost nothing to do* with DebConf,
> ple
On 12/04/2012 10:36 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 13:38 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
>> People, (most of) the Swiss team is pissed with the lack of trust and
>> lack of respect we have been showing for months already, and that now
>> some very vocal outsiders (i.e. Debia
Leandro Gómez
> Yes, please stop this nonsense!
OK, sure, but could everyone also please stop this sort of nonsense:
> If you haven't been part of local team organizing a DebConf, you don't know
> how frustrating and demoralizing this kind of discussion is. [...]
and (quoting Gunnar Wolf):
> w
Le mardi 04 décembre 2012 à 13:38 -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
> People, (most of) the Swiss team is pissed with the lack of trust and
> lack of respect we have been showing for months already, and that now
> some very vocal outsiders (i.e. Debian people who are not involved in
> this year's DebCon
TL;DR ⇒ I'm sick of this discussion. I'm calling the DebConf chairs to
vote _NOW_ to sign or repeal the contract. I'm voting to
sign. (Do we need consensus between the three? Can we vote?)
I will probably do some netiquette breaches in this post... So,
apologies to all, but I think
Russ Allbery dijo [Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:42:47AM -0800]:
> (... big snip ...)
> What remedy or action are you looking for here? I don't think breaking
> the anonymity of a donation that never happened really makes sense. Are
> you looking for site selection to be re-opened? Further reassurance
Ian Jackson writes:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>> That seems to be exactly what happened.
> No. My reading of Moray's message is that some members of the Debconf
> teams used the existence of the donation as an argument in favour of
> selecting Le Camp as the site.
At least for some period of time
nd its tent village (and the showers there...!)) of our
> "alternative" in Interlaken, have you? and c.) are you aware that another
> alternative were/are bomb shelters? Switzerland is ridiculous expensive,
> that's *why* we choose Le Camp and why we did this so early.
> ___
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>
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 06:21:56PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
> 13"):
> > The part that I'm missing here is what you felt should have been done
> > differently.
>
> T
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> The part that I'm missing here is what you felt should have been done
> differently.
This is a reasonable question.
> Let's assume that Debian has no control over the offe
sed by attempts to raise
> concerns and then simultaneously using that raising of concerns as an
> argument that the concerns are important.
Not exactly - we have already seen speculation in the last 24 hours that
this issue originated with sponsorship from a company that some people
find controv
Daniel Pocock writes:
> a) Holger, a DebConf chair, was concerned about Le Camp's budget on 25
> October (referring to it as GourmetConf) and unwilling to support it
> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121025.200948.bca7a335.en.html
> "100k for food is just insane. We are neither GourmetC
On 04/12/12 17:10, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Ian Jackson writes:
>
>> According to Moray this proposed strings-attached donation was used as
>> an argument by some members of the Debconf team in favour of making the
>> decision favoured by the donor. That is wholly unacceptable. It
>> amounts exa
Ian Jackson writes:
> According to Moray this proposed strings-attached donation was used as
> an argument by some members of the Debconf team in favour of making the
> decision favoured by the donor. That is wholly unacceptable. It
> amounts exactly to the donors buying influence.
> The fact
Jose Luis Rivas writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> I really thought people working on a project like Debian would understand
> the meaning of the "anonymous" word. Then we blame government and
> politicians.
I&#x
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> On Montag, 3. Dezember 2012, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I'm sorry to keep making trouble, but strings-attached offers of
> > substantial amounts of money from anonymous donor
Hi,
On Montag, 3. Dezember 2012, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > The "anonymous donations" we got offered were rejected (by us)
> Why do you use scare quotes ?
for two reasons: a.) because they are not anonymous to me and b.) because I'm
not as fluent in english writing as others.
> I'm sorry to keep m
On 03/12/12 20:01, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 02 décembre 2012 à 18:31 +0100, Philipp Hug a écrit :
>>> AFAIK there was an offer of a huge "anonymous donation", which at the end
>>> seemed more a loan, and IIRC to speed up the process and not let discuss
>>> about lack of money. I don't
Le dimanche 02 décembre 2012 à 20:22 +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit :
> DebConf13 will be held in Le Camp, Vaumarcus, Switzerland. The DebConf chairs
> atm are preparing a message explaining why we (still ;) think this is a good
> idea.
>
> If you think DebConf is a total desaster and should be d
Le dimanche 02 décembre 2012 à 18:31 +0100, Philipp Hug a écrit :
> > AFAIK there was an offer of a huge "anonymous donation", which at the end
> > seemed more a loan, and IIRC to speed up the process and not let discuss
> > about lack of money. I don't know the source and I don't know if there wa
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Anonymous donation" to Debconf
13"):
> The "anonymous donations" we got offered were rejected (by us)
Why do you use scare quotes ?
> On Samstag, 1. Dezember 2012, Holger Levsen wrote:
> >
Hi,
I somewhat wonder why I have to write this mail. As I already wrote the mail
quoted below (which was also just repeating stuff said elsewhere)...
The "anonymous donations" we got offered were rejected (by us) on October 28th
(or 29th, not 101% sure about the exact date), I'm pretty sure Phi
Hi Daniel,
Can you just confirm: who proposed those conditions? Did this come from
> somebody who was involved in the decision making (e.g. a committee
> member or a negotiator)?
>
> Or was the offer and the conditions from some third party outside the
> debconf team?
>
> If you want to know more
On 02/12/12 18:31, Philipp Hug wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> AFAIK there was an offer of a huge "anonymous donation", which at the end
>> seemed more a loan, and IIRC to speed up the process and not let discuss
>> about lack of money. I don't know the source and I don't know if there was
>> string attached.
Hi,
> AFAIK there was an offer of a huge "anonymous donation", which at the end
> seemed more a loan, and IIRC to speed up the process and not let discuss
> about lack of money. I don't know the source and I don't know if there was
> string attached.
> Anyway that offer endured only few days becau
On 02/12/12 16:23, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
> On 12/02/2012 04:02 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Ian Jackson writes (""Anonymous donation" to Debconf 13"):
>>> I have heard some disturbing rumours regarding Debconf13, site choice
>>> and funding. It seems to be difficult to find clear facts and of
>>
On 12/02/2012 04:02 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ian Jackson writes (""Anonymous donation" to Debconf 13"):
I have heard some disturbing rumours regarding Debconf13, site choice
and funding. It seems to be difficult to find clear facts and of
course I don't want to be spreading unverified rumours.
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 02:47:13PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 01/12/12 01:32, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Freitag, 30. November 2012, David Prévot wrote:
> >
> >> I fail to understand, if you really “don't want to be spreading
> >> unverified rumours”, why are you posting this kin
On 01/12/12 01:32, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Freitag, 30. November 2012, David Prévot wrote:
>
>> I fail to understand, if you really “don't want to be spreading
>> unverified rumours”, why are you posting this kind of questions to two
>> other wider mailing lists?
>>
> [...]
>
Hi,
On Freitag, 30. November 2012, David Prévot wrote:
> I fail to understand, if you really “don't want to be spreading
> unverified rumours”, why are you posting this kind of questions to two
> other wider mailing lists?
[...]
> http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121102.150947.08f4206c.e
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Hi,
Le 30/11/2012 14:44, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> I have heard some disturbing rumours regarding Debconf13, site choice
> and funding. It seems to be difficult to find clear facts and of
> course I don't want to be spreading unverified rumours.
I f
]] Joey Hess
> Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> > Are you sure the first successful installation of Debian happened during
> > DebConf3? I remember giving a talk about Skolelinux at that conference
> > and how Skolelinux used d-i to automate the Debian installation. During
> > the talk I ran the in
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Are you sure the first successful installation of Debian happened during
> DebConf3? I remember giving a talk about Skolelinux at that conference
> and how Skolelinux used d-i to automate the Debian installation. During
> the talk I ran the installation as a demonstra
Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> "During DebConfN I wrote $cool-software which we now use to do
> $cool-things"
At DebConf3 in Oslo, I finally met the other Debian Installer developers
gathered together in person, and after a week of challanging work, we
achieved the first successful installation of Debi
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 04:22:02PM +0100, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> Hi all,
> members of the Debconf Team and Publicity Team need your help!!1!!
>
> (nooo! don't hide!!)
>
> We'd like to have a quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
> naming their most important technical and/or socia
t;
>> So where shall we send such quotes?
>
> In this thread? :)
> And I think could be better to -project instead that debconf-discuss
> (I've just set reply-to accordingly).
I would have preferred to have *all* replies to debconf-discuss@ as
well, I know of at least
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:32, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 18:38, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
>> (also, unrelated to me, just a suggestion for this campaign: it would
>> be good to get a quote from Eben Moglen about his freedombox talk at
>> Debconf10 and the impact it had, c
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 18:38, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> (also, unrelated to me, just a suggestion for this campaign: it would
> be good to get a quote from Eben Moglen about his freedombox talk at
> Debconf10 and the impact it had, considering how the FreedomBox
> foundation is heavily debian-p
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 18:38, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> In this thread? :)
> And I think could be better to -project instead that debconf-discuss
> (I've just set reply-to accordingly).
> Or, if you prefer send me a private reply at madamezou@d.o
>
During Debconf9 I g
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 04:22:02PM +0100, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> Hi all,
> members of the Debconf Team and Publicity Team need your help!!1!!
>
> (nooo! don't hide!!)
>
> We'd like to have a quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
> naming their most important technical and/or socia
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:38:26 +0100, Francesca Ciceri
wrote:
> > > We'd like to have a quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
> > > naming their most important technical and/or social achievement reached
> > > during past DebConfs.
After talking about the conversion for several years
Hi Francesca,
During DebConf11 I've met my new, permanent, sponsor (Guido Trotter)
and we have a great collaboration since then!
Karolina Kalic
Is this good?
Greetings,
Karolina
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ere shall we send such quotes?
> >
> > Regards, Axel
>
> In this thread? :)
> And I think could be better to -project instead that debconf-discuss
> (I've just set reply-to accordingly).
> Or, if you prefer send me a private reply at madamezou@d.o
In DebCo
Hi Francesca,
Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> > So where shall we send such quotes?
>
> In this thread? :)
Well, I don't think we should clutter -project or debconf-discuss with
all those replies I expect. (Or don't you expect so many replies? :-)
> And I think could be b
quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
> > naming their most important technical and/or social achievement reached
> > during past DebConfs.
>
> So where shall we send such quotes?
>
> Regards, Axel
In this thread? :)
And I think could be better to -proj
Hi,
Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> members of the Debconf Team and Publicity Team need your help!!1!!
>
> (nooo! don't hide!!)
>
> We'd like to have a quote from all Debian Developers and contributors
> naming their most important technical and/or social achievement reached
> during past DebConfs.
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:04:01AM -0400, Jose Parrella wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:59:10AM +0200, Enrico Zini escribió:
>>
>>A little ago I've read the news that Venezuela is going to train 40
>>people on basic Linux use. Four hundred thousands. YOU ROCK!
>>
>>The courses were due to
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