Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Stephen R Laniel wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> Please quit top posting. > > Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which > surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way > toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-29 Thread Paul Johnson
Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: >> On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: >> > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but >> > different. >> >> Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there ar

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Please don't top post, we all read English in chronological (not random) order. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Best_Online_Quoting_Practices Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > > Command I have used: > apt-get install firefox > > NOT > apt-get install icewe

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but > > different. > > Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? [...] > Otherwise I would like

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:02:43PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > I've suggested that iceweasel provides+conflicts+replaces firefox, > which AFAICT would instead produce the output: > > Note, selecting iceweasel instead of firefox > [...other stuff about packages...] > Do you want to continue? [Y/n

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread hendrik
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:33:13AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 03:55:33PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > > > There is an unofficial Sarge release for amd64. I use it on a couple of > servers and many Debia

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread hendrik
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:48:52PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > -- > In the west we kill people like chickens. > [Agree] [Disagree] No opinion. When I was in the west I didn't see any prople that resembled chickens. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Mike Hommey wrote: > To be fair, it's not exactly true, because upgrading from firefox to > iceweasel in debian means upgrading from version 1.0 or 1.5 to 2.0, and > there are substancial changes that some people dislike, myself included. > > Which means Piotr is actually probably complaining abou

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread MJ Ray
"Piotr Dziubinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no longer firefox in debian etch, so after typing: > apt-get install firefox > I would like to see announcement: Firefox packages are no longer present in > debian distribution, please try iceweasel. > > Do you see a difference? Yes. Just p

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. > > Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? > > If you m

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: > > Otherwise I would like to see what kind of OPERATIONAL difference you > have found: > - you still can fall iceweasel as "firefox" on the command line > - you can browse the web *IN THE EXACT SAME WAY* > You can even use the sam

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Norbert Preining
On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? If you miss the firefox logo, and the word "firefox" in the title bar, then ok, well, run stable. Otherwis

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:43:59AM -0500, Stephen R Laniel wrote: > > Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which > surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way > toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which is surely > the least interesting debate in the history

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Stephen R Laniel
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Please quit top posting. Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which is surely the least interesting deb

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Piotr Dziubinski
Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. So I think that debian should no longer use firefox as a name for iceweasel package! I will give you an example: You are typing: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade and after that you realize that you have no longe

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Please quit top posting. On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 04:52:29PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. > So I think that debian should no longer use firefox as a name for iceweasel > package! > Except that the release managers and

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Piotr Dziubinski
Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. Command I have used: apt-get install firefox NOT apt-get install iceweasel I knew exactly what I was doing, because my friend told me that there will be no longer firefox in debian, instead of it will be iceweasel, so I was curious what wi

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 03:55:33PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > There is an unofficial Sarge release for amd64. I use it on a couple of servers and many Debian users the unofficial Sarge with no problems. > Command I have used: > apt-g

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 01:11:26AM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Answers: > Etch > apt-get > > I was informed by apt-get that Iceweasel package will be installed, but I > wasn't informed that instead of Firefox and it is a problem! > If I would like to uninstall (even current version of) Firefo

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Oleg Verych
26-01-2007, Piotr Dziubinski пишет: [] Hi, Pete. > I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? > > I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian > for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind! Poor man ;) Seriously, i've had enough from mozilla/f

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Piotr Dziubinski
Answers: Etch apt-get I was informed by apt-get that Iceweasel package will be installed, but I wasn't informed that instead of Firefox and it is a problem! If I would like to uninstall (even current version of) Firefox I would do it myself. Out of curiousity, how did you not realize that Ic

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Leo Antunes
Iceweasel *IS* Firefox. Only the name changed because of legal disputes. If you want, you can probably start reading about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceWeasel#More_Debian-related_controversy What you might have experienced is the upgrade from Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 2.0 (roughly at th

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Piotr Dziubinski
I'm irritated cause I expect that operating system will ask me about such kind of changes. It is a reason why I have started to use Linux. I want to have complete control in all changes made in my operating system. As You mentioned, Iceweasel isn't real Firefox. If I knew that upgrade of Firefox,

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:44:13AM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > I'm irritated cause I expect that operating system will ask me about such > kind of changes. > It is a reason why I have started to use Linux. I want to have complete > control in all changes made in my operating system. As You men

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:20:00PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? > As others have pointed out in this thread, Iceweasel is Firefox, but without the Mozilla branding. If you are irritated, then be irritated at Mozilla and write them an

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 23:20 +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? > > I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using > Debian for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind! > > After updating Firefox in Debian I realiz

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:20:00PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? > > I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian > for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind! > > After updating Firefox in Debian I

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Jochen Schulz
Piotr Dziubinski: > > Oki, I can install my favorite Firefox from other packages, but do you > realize, that I would like to be asked if I want to use this f..u...k...ng > %^*( *&##$$ ^&^%& Iceweasle instead of Firefox? Nice flamebait. Good luck! :) J. -- In the west we kill people like chicken

Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-26 Thread Piotr Dziubinski
I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind! After updating Firefox in Debian I realized that Firefox is no longer present in my operating system! Instead o