Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-12 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:47:01 +0100 Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > How about mailing lists debian-{testing,unstable}-announce, with the > following properties: > > * installing testing or unstable causes a debconf notification to >ask the user to subscribe I like the idea, but s

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > martin f krafft writes ("How to best reach the users of a package?"): >> [stuff] > > Mail to root is sadly not really useful any more (and anyway, does > someone with a cluster of 1000 machines really want 10 mails a

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns writes: > On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:57:22PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: >> Scripsit Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be >> > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed >> > to dak and fr

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-09 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Roland Mas wrote: > Daniel Jacobowitz, 2006-08-05 22:20:08 +0200 : > >> I think this plan, and the overall idea, are both great. > > I have no objection to that either, and I'd suggest apticron and > friends would benefit from that too. I mean, there could be one > channel transmitting various

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
martin f krafft writes ("How to best reach the users of a package?"): > [stuff] Mail to root is sadly not really useful any more (and anyway, does someone with a cluster of 1000 machines really want 10 mails a week?). And I'm afraid I'm one of those old farts who thin

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joseph Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. > > User Here. > > RSS would be great, actually. It may not be the flashing red light you're > looking for, but a feed or two for each suite announcing critical updates > would be very much appreciated. Maybe you could ship Firefox (or all the

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday 05 August 2006 21:20, martin f krafft wrote: >> I envision a tool (warning: braindump ahead) that we install *by >> default* on a standard system, which uses cron to wake up once a day > > I think that installing it by default is not really an op

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Peter Van Eynde
Alle Saturday 05 August 2006 21:20, martin f krafft ha scritto: > So I made a mistake in the mdadm version currently in testing, and > published [0] to -testing and -user at the same time as I uploaded > a new version. Hello, Thinking as a mere user, the first thing I would do is check the bug re

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:57:22PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be > > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed > > to dak and friends, in the pool and pushed

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:38:31PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > per second (assuming even distribution). That is not an irrelevant > amount of traffic even with static web pages, never mind dynamically > generated, customized RSS feeds. Just a diff in addition to what has already been said on th

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.06.1457 +0100]: > I wonder how much it would confuse apt and its friends if we simply > piggybacked the information onto the Packages records by adding a new > field (with the entire text or just an URL), but without bumping the > version num

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed > to dak and friends, in the pool and pushed to the mirrors. I wonder how much it would confuse apt and its friends

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:36:59PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.06.1114 +0100]: > > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be > > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed > > to dak and frie

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.06.1114 +0100]: > Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. But, ehm, since news bits can be > classified per source package, they could be generated once a day, fed > to dak and friends, in the pool and pushed to the mirrors. Yes, definitely. We should u

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.06.0516 +0100]: > The service is attractive, but mailing to root... To my great regret, > on many machine, mail to local users does not get read these days It would be configurable, just like cron-apt and apt-listchanges are. -- Please

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Roland Mas
Lars Wirzenius, 2006-08-06 11:40:06 +0200 : > One million users polling once day, causing one kilobyte of HTTP > traffic, results in 30 gigabytes of traffic per month, and about 11 > hits per second (assuming even distribution). That is not an > irrelevant amount of traffic even with static web pa

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2006-08-06 kello 11:33 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli kirjoitti: > Regarding how to implement it, the most interesting part seems to be > creating the server side part of the service and make DDs use it. I > agree with the user comment about using RSS for that. One million users polling once day, c

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 08:20:55PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > I envision a tool (warning: braindump ahead) that we install *by > default* on a standard system, which uses cron to wake up once a day > and check online for important announcements regarding all installed > packages, and mails the

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-06 Thread Joseph Neal
Hi. User Here. RSS would be great, actually. It may not be the flashing red light you're looking for, but a feed or two for each suite announcing critical updates would be very much appreciated. Maybe you could ship Firefox (or all the aggregators in the archive) with something like that

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 08:20:55PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > What we do not have in Debian is a way to reach users of a package > about important issues that aren't security bugs (and even for > security bugs...). I realise that we'll never get there, but the > current infrastructure is just

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-05 22:51]: > So I made a mistake in the mdadm version currently in testing, and > published [0] to -testing and -user at the same time as I uploaded > a new version. > > 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2006/07/msg00014.html [...] > I en

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread Roland Mas
Daniel Jacobowitz, 2006-08-05 22:20:08 +0200 : > I think this plan, and the overall idea, are both great. I have no objection to that either, and I'd suggest apticron and friends would benefit from that too. I mean, there could be one channel transmitting various messages, such as "important inf

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 09:50:19PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Saturday 05 August 2006 21:20, martin f krafft wrote: > > I envision a tool (warning: braindump ahead) that we install *by > > default* on a standard system, which uses cron to wake up once a day > > I think that installing it by defa

Re: How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 05 August 2006 21:20, martin f krafft wrote: > I envision a tool (warning: braindump ahead) that we install *by > default* on a standard system, which uses cron to wake up once a day I think that installing it by default is not really an option. As all Debian services, it should be op

How to best reach the users of a package?

2006-08-05 Thread martin f krafft
So I made a mistake in the mdadm version currently in testing, and published [0] to -testing and -user at the same time as I uploaded a new version. 0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2006/07/msg00014.html Since then, I received X emails telling me about a bug in the package. X users didn'