Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-12-11 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:28:23PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: a.) giving out access/rights, can be very _motivating_: I can tell from my own experience mostly or more clearly in Debian Edu than in Debian, that I do a lot of stuff in Debian Edu, because I was granted the rights which I

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:32, Matthew Johnson wrote: Surely the multiple levels are the point she is making? Please watch the talk :) An (rather) easy level to achieve could be the debian.org email address that every associated project member gets quite easily. (And which is a

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 24/10/08 at 21:59 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: As such I really don't buy that all DD should be equal when it comes to technical work however I do think we have to move in the direction where we broaden our membership to new kind of contributors and that all contributors should have

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your comment. For reference, people might not have noticed but my initial mail was not only a reply to liw's mail but a real alternative proposal. BTW, I added some further explanations on my blog: http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2008/10/27/debian-membership-reform/ On Mon, 27 Oct 2008,

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 16:01 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Power-hungry might well be interested by this role but when 20 other people have the same power, you really don't gain much with your power. Unfairness is difficult to avoid as all human judgment have a subjective part… but I don't see why

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right (when trusting the decision of 2 members with special rights would be enough). That's why I

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 17:20 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would require the

motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 27 October 2008 17:20, Raphael Hertzog wrote: If someone is only trustable to package perl modules, shouldn't he be a DM instead of a DD? We might want him to be able to package new perl modules on his own? Where do you draw the line? If you maintain 20 or 50 perl modules?

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to carry this over to free software development

It's all about trust

2008-10-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I think we should go in the opposite direction: massively simplify the whole membership thing. I tend to agree on the description of the situation but I would also add that we effectively have a trust problem within the project and that any reform to

Re: It's all about trust at Debian Project

2008-10-24 Thread Andre Felipe Machado
Hello, I have read the posts about this long awaited subject discussion. (please, forgive my poor english, and ask for details) Interesting ideas to register, already posted by others: - Simplify things. * There are too much overloaded people already. Teams should be emphasized. * There are