Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-28 Thread Scott Dier
* Cesar Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011024 11:17]: > As an example, I put together a sid box for my wife with KDE and I explained > to > her what were the equivalents in Linux to the applications the she used I do the same thing for my fiancee :) Shes got a nifty dual-head setup where she uses

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-28 Thread Anders Jackson
Alex de Landgraaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Note: this may be a bit long, but i hope you will read it and give > feedback about your opinon on the subject(s) discussed. And sorry for > crossposting, just wanting everones 2cents. forgive me :) > > > Fellow Debian-users/developers! [...] > T

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-26 Thread Timothy H. Keitt
Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: Better yet, lets convince package maintainers not to unnecessarily update all their dependencies to the latest libs in unstable so that packages can be easily backported with 'apt-get -b source ...' My guess is that 60-90% of the p

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-25 Thread Adam Majer
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:38:45PM -0500, Lex Spoon wrote: > > I think for the kind of money you are talking about, you can hire > administrators who know Unix. Honestly: wouldn't you want professional > (or at least competent) adminstrators for Windows, too? Ease of Windows > administration is

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-25 Thread Lex Spoon
> Ofcourse my thoughts went directly out to Debian, as a personal > favorite. It would take some time to create an enviroment where all > these (simple) users would be content in, it would take even more time, > testing and support for them to be glad with it, but that wouldnt be > much of a probl

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-25 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > Better yet, lets convince package maintainers not to unnecessarily > update all their dependencies to the latest libs in unstable so that > packages can be easily backported with 'apt-get -b source ...' My guess > is that 60-90% of the packages in uns

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:43:50AM -0400, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > Better yet, lets convince package maintainers not to unnecessarily > update all their dependencies to the latest libs in unstable so that > packages can be easily backported with 'apt-get -b source ...' My guess > is that 60-90%

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread Timothy H. Keitt
Better yet, lets convince package maintainers not to unnecessarily update all their dependencies to the latest libs in unstable so that packages can be easily backported with 'apt-get -b source ...' My guess is that 60-90% of the packages in unstable do not require the latest lib versions to bu

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread Cesar Mendoza
I agree with Scott. With the help of a good admin any body can use Linux right _now_. Remember that for a user like you said the computer is a tool so as long as the admin makes sure that the applications the users need are there it's only a matter of time before the user feels at home with the new

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Today at 01:12:63 you wrote the following wise words: > Now, my boss is going to get most of the heat, and he and his managers > are looking for alternatives. > I wish the ppl at my school were that smart as well... There are some Debian-based distro's with very nice installers and things like t

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread Wilmer van der Gaast
Yesterday at 18:21:63 you wrote the following wise words: > Also, I think there is a lot of need for this sort of work. I've been > talking to some admins here about starting a project for backporting > sets of packages from unstable to stable to do 3-6month update packs > after stable comes out,

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-24 Thread David N. Welton
Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Therefore, I propose a new project: Project Odyssey. To take the > > long road from where we (the geeks) now are to create a true Do you want to create something that 1) can be *used* by anyone, or something that can also be 2) installed/admined by 'any

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:12:02AM +0200, Alex de Landgraaf wrote: > To create a viable alternative to our main competetor, based on Debian > GNU/Linux. Do not forget www.boxedpenguin.com IMHO you should not use the Debian Project as a start for your trip, go out and do it in public. Greetings

Re: Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-23 Thread Scott Dier
> Therefore, I propose a new project: Project Odyssey. > To take the long road from where we (the geeks) now are to create a true I would attempt to not fork whatever work you do, but provide packages that work within debian for these things that track unstable and could be released with a future

Propossed Project: Odyssey

2001-10-23 Thread Alex de Landgraaf
Note: this may be a bit long, but i hope you will read it and give feedback about your opinon on the subject(s) discussed. And sorry for crossposting, just wanting everones 2cents. forgive me :) Fellow Debian-users/developers! Lets start by telling something about myself and the reason i am post