Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-24 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le vendredi 12 juin 2020 à 17:12:08-0400, Mark Pearson a écrit : > > On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > > > > My plan before this conversation came up was to keep an eye on > > > what fixes were needed to get things wor

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-14 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-14 10:59, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > Hibernation doesn't work with Secure Boot at the moment (there's no > infrastructure in the Linux kernel to verify that you're not resuming to an > “unsigned” memory image). Not sure how much people hibernate these days anyway I *always* hibernate my

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-14 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 17:12 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > - Audio is a constant headache (instead of earache). > - Graphics is frequently fun. Nvidia cards definitely add a challenge > but I think that

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-13 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Kurt On 6/13/2020 5:47 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 05:10:11PM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: Hi Kurt On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote: The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had anot

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 05:10:11PM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > Hi Kurt > > On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > > > > > > The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another > > > big announcement yeste

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > I have some ideas but is there a 'wishlist' or guidance on which > platforms are the most popular? Either Lenovo specifics (makes my life > easier) or general "it should have at least ". Assume you are talking about hardware platforms here

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-12 Thread Mark Pearson
On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 My plan before this conversation came up was to keep an eye on what fixes were needed to get things working on the Ubuntu/Fedora/RHEL front and then once those were upstream work on getting those

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-12 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Kurt On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote: The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another big announcement yesterday about doing full config on our workstations with Ubuntu and RHEL). We're asking H

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > > The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another big > announcement yesterday about doing full config on our workstations with > Ubuntu and RHEL). We're asking HW vendors to have Linux support upstream > i

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/10/20 2:50 AM, RP wrote: > On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> use the install disk as an all around rescue disk. >> You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus... >> > That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes > with.  Like an all purpo

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-10 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 08:43 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > Hi Yves-Alexis > > > What can be done in the Debian community to help you do that *before* > > the hardware are in the hand of volunteers, because as you already > > said that means the laptop

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-10 Thread RP
On 6/10/20 4:52 AM, Michael Kesper wrote: It would be nice if such a thing would be available as an official Debian live cd rescue image. No debian-live currently includes tools like lvm, for example. So you depend on a working network setup for rescueing encrypted partitions etc. Just my 2

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-10 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Yves-Alexis On 6/6/2020 10:43 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:58 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: That's where doing a Debian pre-load would be challenging (which is really where this conversation started). If support for a pla

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Kesper
Hi all, On 10.06.20 01:59, RP wrote: > On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> use the install disk as an all around rescue disk. >> You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus... >> > That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes with.  > Like an

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-09 Thread RP
On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: use the install disk as an all around rescue disk. You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus... That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes with.  Like an all purpose installer/rescue disk.  The suggestion

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 10:24:53AM -0700, RP wrote: >On 6/9/20 8:08 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> >> Why would we want to do that when downstream distributions for this >> purpose are available. Frankly, I don't currently see that a Debian >> rescue image could reach grml's level of matureness in time.

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-09 Thread RP
On 6/9/20 8:08 AM, Marc Haber wrote: Why would we want to do that when downstream distributions for this purpose are available. Frankly, I don't currently see that a Debian rescue image could reach grml's level of matureness in time. We do have more important things to spend our personpower on t

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-09 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Marc Haber (2020-06-09 17:08:25) > On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 03:09:26AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > > Debian used to publish a "recovery" variant of Debian Live, but that > > was dropped due to lack of maintenance at one point. I note there are > > several Debian derivatives producing rescue/re

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 03:09:26AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > Debian used to publish a "recovery" variant of Debian Live, but that > was dropped due to lack of maintenance at one point. I note there are > several Debian derivatives producing rescue/recovery live media (Grml, > rescatux, Finnix come

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-06 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:58 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > That's where doing a Debian pre-load would be challenging (which is > really where this conversation started). If support for a platform isn't > there until 6 to 8 months after it's shipped (

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-05 12:12, Mark Pearson wrote: > You will be able to buy a Linux system > (albeit not Debian) soon. That's fine with me! If a notebook computer works with any Linux, I'm confident, that I/someone can put Debian on it!

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Martin On 6/5/2020 11:03 AM, Martin wrote: On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at w

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Marc On 6/5/2020 9:51 AM, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: While we're asking for rainbow colored unicorns here, I'd love the Lenovo support organiation to be a little less bitchy when one admits usin

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Paul On 6/5/2020 9:28 AM, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pic

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Martin
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote: > I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to > improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms. Very welcome! Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at work, one with Debian testing, one with Debian s

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:13 am, Mark Pearson wrote: Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from suspend

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote: > On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except > > for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after > > resuming from suspend, but I work a

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I > probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes > from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pick them up from there. It sounds like you ar

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Pirate On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote: Hi Mark, I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after resuming from suspend, but I work around it using an external mouse). OK - I'll

RE: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-05 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:39 pm, Mark Pearson wrote: From my point of view what I've been trying to do is to get more involved so I can contribute/backport fixes directly. I get good insight into what issues impact our platforms and when fixes land upstream. It seems the best way to make co

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 4 juin 2020 00:35 +00, Paul Wise: >> Then, we need the SOF firmwares, currently not in Debian. I see >> you have #960788. I just got aware of it through #962134. I am happy to >> help you on this package and get it uploaded. > > Unfortunately SOF firmware, while it has freely licensed source c

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:51 PM Vincent Bernat wrote: > Then, we need the SOF firmwares, currently not in Debian. I see > you have #960788. I just got aware of it through #962134. I am happy to > help you on this package and get it uploaded. Unfortunately SOF firmware, while it has freely licensed

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi Vincent On 6/3/2020 3:29 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 3 juin 2020 13:39 +00, Mark Pearson: As an important example - the X1 Carbon 7 (which is a popular machine) still doesn't work well with any version of Debian (including experimental or testing) as the audio is broken. Debian users hav

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 3 juin 2020 13:39 +00, Mark Pearson: > As an important example - the X1 Carbon 7 (which is a popular machine) > still doesn't work well with any version of Debian (including > experimental or testing) as the audio is broken. Debian users have to > jump through a few hoops to get it to work. I'

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Mark, On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:02 AM Jonathan Carter wrote: > > My x250 is 5 years old So is my T450s, and it's not the first. Lenovo and Debian are a great combo. Thanks for taking this initiative! Kind regards Felix Lechner

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 05:53:50PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Mark! [...] This is from the peanut gallery, from a simple Debian user. Thanks you both for this delightful exchange. This is one of the things why I love Debian -- running, BTW, on a thinkpad, which is an awesome machine, too

Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Mark! On 2020/06/03 15:39, Mark Pearson wrote: >> I guess it should be possible, but the biggest challenge is probably to >> get the right contact to talk with. Do we have such a contact ? >> > I started replying to this thread late last night and after a few iterations > I gave up and went to

RE: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Pearson
Hi > -Original Message- > From: Thomas Goirand > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:10 AM > > On 6/3/20 4:30 AM, Hideki Yamane wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've found an article about Lenovo ships Fedora pre-installed machine. > > https://news.lenovo.com/smarter-technology-for-all-extends-to-th