Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: Randomly selected juries avoid the "cabal" problem -- it's transparent who gets involved, it's not limited to some people, it's not the same people all the time, and it's a bit easier to deal with (perceived/claimed/whatever) conflicts of interest. May

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 01 June 2007 14:06, Sam Hocevar wrote: >I'd prefer we didn't use the word "punishment", because punishing is > certainly not what Debian should do; Debian needs to protect itself > from threats, and this protection might mean expulsion, suspension or > other unfortunate measures, but

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Thu, May 31, 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > I don't like it at first read, but you may provide examples of > situations where such a procedure could be useful. In particular, just > determining "who's right" doesn't help much. As for determining what > punishments are plausible, isn't this

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 01:49:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The role of jurors in the US legal system is not to interpret the law > (jurors are commonly given explicit direction about the standard that must > be met for the defendant to be guilty of a particular charge), but to decide > wheth

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 11:33:02AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 05:12:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Randomly selected juries avoid the "cabal" problem -- it's transparent > > who gets involved, it's not limited to some people, it's not > > the same people al

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 05:12:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Randomly selected juries avoid the "cabal" problem -- it's transparent > who gets involved, it's not limited to some people, it's not > the same people all the time, and it's a bit easier to deal with > (perceived/claimed/whatever) co

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 09:50:20AM +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > A 'probi viri' team should be appinted by voting IMHO, as in the DPL case. s/appinted/appointed/ -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:30:28PM -0400, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > > > >Hey, why not? A third idea: instead of having delegates or a committee > >or whatever to decide amongst disputes, how about randomly selecting a > >jury from DDs and having their word (on who's right, on what punishment > >is

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:30:28PM -0400, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > >Hey, why not? A third idea: instead of having delegates or a committee > >or whatever to decide amongst disputes, how about randomly selecting a > >jury from DDs and having their word (on who's right, on what punishment > >is pla