Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Sunday, 20 November 2022 21:54:14 CET Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If we're going to get Bookworm out, now is a good time to be thinking of > things that could usefully be removed to lower a maintenance burden Sorry, but I find this a non-argument. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fortune-mod

Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 08:54:14PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I suspect there is also a slight difference of understanding of the merits of > free speech on either > side of the Atlantic: it's a cultural thing and I suspect I tend to the > European side here :) > Thank you for

Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
Hi Sam, Thanks very much for taking the time to thoughfully articulate your thoughts. I find myself agreeing with a great deal of what you wrote. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 01:05:15PM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > > 2) I will try and build a consensus that we want the bar to be high for >

Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Andrew" == Andrew M A Cater writes: Andrew> I'm not going to die in a ditch over this but I raised it as Andrew> a genuine query to the project in good faith and without any Andrew> agenda. I appreciate that. I hope my message was received in the spirit of an answer to the

Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Hi Sam, I respect absolutely what you say. I'm not sure that fortunes-offensive has any particular literary merit, I'm not sure myself that, now that the separate binary for fortunes-off has been removed, that the dat file merits inclusion. It was a leaf package on a small games package that

Re: Removing software because we disagree with its values

2022-11-20 Thread Sam Hartman
TL;DR: I think that we need to be significantly more permissive of ideas expressed in software in our archive, especially for software that exhibits creative speech, than we do conduct in our community. I do not think that the Code of Conduct is an appropriate tool for judging software in